Thursday, August 15, 2019

Araneta Center Management Issues Statement on Incident with Gretchen Diez, Stresses LGBTQ Community Will Always Be Welcome

Image courtesy of Facebook: The Araneta Center

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  1. We didn’t see din his attitude behind the camera and his attitude when he declined to go to men’s restroom. I don’t think magiging ganun ang reaction ng janitress kung hindi sya provoked. Parehas lang silang mali.

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    1. 12:41am HER. HER is the proper way of addressing her because she is a woman. Educate yourselves

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    2. @1241 feeling ko naginarte at Mega talak yun trans

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    3. Korek ka dyan 12:41 pinosesosan sya dahil nag video sya ng walang permiso from the Janitress.

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    4. walang rule ang mall na bawal ang trans sa womens cr. so imbento lang yung ate ng rule nya. also may ordinance ang quezon city. also, baket nya sinasaktan yung trans. napanood mo ba sa vid? tapos pinosasan pa na parang kriminal e gusto lang naman magcr nung tao.

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    5. Agree. I’m not anti-LGBT... but what we’ve seen so far is only the one side of the story. Maybe the Tranny did something wrong din kaya triggered si ate. What do you think?

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    6. her. Na interview sya kanina sa dzmm.. 10 vs. 1 kaya ilalaban nya ung kaso. ses kinaladkad sya sa mall at may posas pa. Sa una palang bakit magpprovoked? e karapatan nya umihi pero pinigilan sya. Sya lang pong mag isa that time

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    7. Bilang pag unawa siguro try to use “her” po instead of “his attitude”.

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    8. Gender misappropriation ka din naman teh. Gretchen identifies as a woman, so address her as such.

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    9. Nang discriminate agad si Ate when she singled out Gretchen sa line. Gretchen obviously looks female and considers herself one. Nang-judge din naman agad yung janitress

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    10. Agree. Hindi magiging ganyan ang attitude ni ate sa kanya if walang prior ganap.

      Also, ayaw ni ate na kinukunan ng video sana pero sige pa rin siya para may proof siya siguro. Sabi ni ate, nag-video siya para sumikat.

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    11. Agree. Ito mga lgbtq minsan inaabuso "rights" nila eh. Pavictim mashado minsan

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    12. 1:27 Dyan may mis interpretation,what if she sees herself as a woman,the others do not.

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    13. Wala naman legally male or female sa pilipinas. So pwede pa rin siya HE regardless sa hitsura niya.

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    14. Agree ako sayo 1:27. Parang kasalanan pa naten?!

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    15. Napanuod mo ba ang video? Walang sinabi yung janitress na tinalakan siya ni Gretchen. The video doesn't lie. Mas may attitude pa nga yung janitress na tinampal yung camera at nagcomment pa na di naman maganda o artistahin si Gretchen para sumikat. Napakajudgemental mo naman, so dahil lang LGBT yung biktima iaassume mo na siya nagprovoke at siya yung may kasalanan?

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    16. Grabe ang victim blaming ng madami dito. Baka na provoke-justification na pala yon to physically assault and humiliate someone? Dami nyong reklamo sa pag wiwi ng tao, pero ok lang yung i-trato ang isang tao ng ganyan? Napaka baluktot naman ng pag-iisip nyo!

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    17. 129 gretchen was singled out because her face still looks like a man.

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  2. Natatakot tuloy ako. I hope the equality they want wont compromise the safety of us, ladies. Masyado na silang entitled. I’m so sorry, but that’s how I see it. As I mentioned earlier, yung ngang sa high end malls may nakikidnap na kids sa cr or even raped and molested na young girls. What more kung itong pwedeng mag disguise na trans to get inside the toilet. Not to mention, yung talsik ng wiwi nila sa seat cover. Haha sorry.

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    1. 12:46 - kahit naman Di pa allowed ang trans sa CR, how sure are you na yung mga nag CCR na mga babae ay hindi pedophiles or rapist din?

      Wala sa sexual orientation, gender identity and expression yan, teh. Nasa ugali yan ng tao.

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    2. Kailangan sila protektahan at pagbigyan kasi magaling sila magpaawa and play victim. Sila lang may rights and feelings. Hay nako kawawa naman mga girls sila magaadjust sa mga gays.

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    3. Same point tayo beks!

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    4. Agree! I'd rather have them their own exclusive restroom so that eomen won't feel threatened of males disguising as trans in order to molest or rape or install hidden cameras to record lewd videos and trans woman won't feel threatened from males since they have their own restroom.

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    5. Saan po nangyari itong rape at molestation sa malls? Im really curious. Pa share ng link teh

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    6. Talaga? Saang high-end malls may narape at namolestya?

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    7. Pls don't relate this issue to issues of rape and sexual violences. Walang inoopen na ganun ang city ordinance na payagan sila magcr sa ladies room. Di kasalanan ng mga trans women at maging ng ordinance na yun kung may mga rapists at manyak sa mundo. Besides, lagi ako nagccr sa mga malls and lagi may mga janitress o cr attendants sa loob, lalo na sa high end malls na sinasabi mo. Lagi ring pila at puno ng tao kaya isang sigaw mo lang dinig ka na.

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    8. Sa kidnapping part, hindi problema ang trans, yung mga STRAIGHT na lalaking mageeffort na magbihis babae para gawin yang sinsabi mo.

      Everything else, ikaw ang problema kasi nasa 2019 na kami ikaw 1800s pa magisip. Try again and keep up.

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    9. Believe it or not, people with male anatomy can urinate while sitting down. Im sure transwomen does it while sitting. Also why would you seat on public toilets?? Thats just gross!

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  3. @12:41 Trans na nga di ba? His pa din. Kelangan mo educate sarili mo

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  4. Pero yung mga tomboy ba papayag mag CR sa CR ng mga lalaki??? Yung tomboy bakit sumasakay sa bagon ng MRT sa women’s section pa din? When they are talking about their comfort bigla silang naglalabas ng “babae ako” card. Sus They want equality pero sila (hindi naman lahat, but some) din naman ang hypocrite.

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    1. Exactly!!

      Kung san convenient for them

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    2. All this discussion just shows that gays want to be fully accepted and all their demands met but are not open to letting others have their rights. Kuha kuha lang support sa mga babae pero deep inside wala kayong pakialam sa nararamdaman namin. This is the end of my support for you too.

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  5. All gender CR ang solution. Wag po ipilit na sa CR ng babae. Tinanong ba muna nila kung ayos lang sa babae? They always cater to the rights of trans. Paano kaming kakabaihan? Natanong niyo ba kuna kung ayos lang sa amin? Sorry but its a no for me call me uneducated or what. Ayoko po talaga di ako komportable.

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    1. Same here. I don't hate them. I'm just worried about my safety. A rapist might take advantage of this transwoman issue and we're not strong enough to defend ourselves.

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    2. Okay, you're uneducated.

      Matatapakan ang rights mo as a STRAIGHT woman kung pinagbawalan ka ng TRANS na mag-cr sa babae. Ganun ba ang nangyari dito? 2019 na, educate yourself.

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    3. Natatawa na lang ako. Yung transmen at transwomen gustong gamitin ang ladies room. Lalong hahaba ang pila. Ano bang meron sa mens room at takot na takot sila? Uumbagin ba sila?

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    4. Sige sa girls cr na kayo sa panlalake na lang ako iihi para walang pila

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    5. 12:39 OO. Sus ko, magbasa ka naman ng mga violence against LGBT people pls.

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  6. ilabas nga ang cctv

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  7. If this Diez has a male organ, he should go to the men's room..yon lang lang yon!

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    1. transwoman nga teh

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    2. Anong klaseng logic yon 1:37am

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    3. Hindi naman lahat ng trans wala ng male organ. Ngayon they call themselves trans na once they decided they want to be a girl. Diba nga si angie king trans tawag sa sarili pero di nya daw papatanggal un male organ nya. Si aiza transman pero wala naman sya nun. Hygiene lang. Saka wala ba karapatan mga babaeng tunay na tumanggi at mailang eh ginawa un para sa mga babaeng tunay.

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    4. Eh di everyone can say they are transwoman, to have their ticket inside the women’s room. Pano naman ang safety ng mga tunay na babae? Agree na kung may male organ sya, dun sya sa panlalaki.

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    5. 1:52 eh bakit si ice seguerra, he calls himself transman, may toot na ba sya?

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  8. Lahat sila may mali. Mali ung trans na i video na lang basta ung janitress and ibang tao without their consent. Mali ung janitress sa masasakit na salita and actions towards the trans. Mali ung security ng araneta sa pag posas sa trans. The thing is one side of the story lang ung nasa video. Ni educate ba ni trans si janitress na ganap na syang babae at yung sex organ nya eh pambabae na rin? Kasi bakit paulit ulit na sinabi ng janitress na may utin pa rin ung trans? Ang hirap sa panahon ngayon konting kembot video at post sa fb para makakuha ng sympathy amd likes. Pwede naman sya mag video and ishow un sa management as proof na nadiscriminate sya. Ang nangyare kasi fb live agad si ateng.

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  9. My goodness i can't believe the comments here in fashion pulis. A thought pa naman mas educated mga chismosa dito. Ang backwards din pala magisip sa usaping gender identity. Wala ka na talagang pag asa pilipinas. With this kind of mentality. Jusko. Buti nalang mnakawala ako sa bansang may ganyan mentality!!

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    1. It’s pretty surprising, right? Kaya hindi umusad-usad tong bansang to. Most Filipinos have very low IQs and don’t even dare to learn new things...puro Probinsyano, teleseryes and Tagalized movies lang inaatupag

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    2. Oo nga. Napapailing nga ako sa mga ito. Hindi pa kaya ng society or should I say generation sa Pinas ng mga usaping LGBTQA Rights or should I say modern situations and realities. Kaya walang progress.

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    3. Educated ako on having the same rights. I have the right to speak also and to disagree on matters I don't feel comfortable too. I am not comfortable sa situation sa CR (kahit doon na lang pagbigyan na kaming babae).. Am I not entitled to insist my right on that? Sila lang ba pwede kumuda?

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    4. So because we don't agree with your.. "demands"... we have low IQ, is that it?

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    5. You ask for equal rights.. Have they ever considered the opinion and feelings of WOMEN (pinanganak na babae talaga ah)? I don't think so. Kasi ako di ako comfortable. Iba iba tayo.. Wag niyo ipilit sa iba 'yung okay sa inyo. All gender CR/PWD. Tapos ang usapan.

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    6. Educated sila. Gusto nyo lang yung sa opinion ninyo ang tama.

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    7. Just because it doesn't agree with yours, it doesn't mean it's backward and being uneducated. Respect begets respect. This isn't a one way street.

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    8. Hindi ka yata madalas dito. Have you seen the comments sa ibang articles? Hindi lahat educated, palaging may different na pinapanigan based on their belief. Kaya maganda ang forum na to para magkaroon ng healthy debate. We support LGBTQIA+ community but sa usapin ng restroom, I want to feel safe. Possible may rapist pumasok sa restroom ng mga babae pretending to be transwoman. Paano na lang kung walang ibang tao sa cr ng time na yon at nag iisa ka, ano na? Mamomolestya ka or worse, ma rape ka pa. Be careful of what you wish for, baka pag dumating ang time na malaya ang transwoman gumamit ng restroom natin, ikapahamak mo pa. Any guy lalo na kung may madamang intention pwedeng nagclaim transwoman sila. What's my proof? Dala ba nya yung proof na naoperahan na sya or maghuhubad pa ba sya para makita natin na wala na nga or baka inipit lang. To ensure safety, maglagay ng guards sa restroom, not janitress kasi mas strong ang guys. O kya magpagawa na lang ng restroom na pang all genders.

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    9. 2:07 Ang judgmental nyo. Hindi lahat ng hindi pabor sa mga pinaglalaban ng mga trans like paggamit ng cr ng babae ay uneducated. I have post grad degree at nagtrabaho sa amerika pero hindi ako infavor sa ganito. Hindi ba pwede na hindi lahat ng tao ay pareho ng values and belief system. Magingat kayo sa paghusga at wag mag generalize.

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    10. Korek! I was expecting pa naman na wala na mashadong homophobes sa Pinas but no. What a sad reality.

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    11. If you are going to insult the Filipino IQ,then it is best that you stay abroad. Do not come back anymore.

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    12. Wow. Uneducated talaga? I’m an Engineer and A woman. Feeling ko nga yung mga educated pa ang tumutol dito because we can calculate what could potentially happen if nai-push itong CR agenda niyo.

      Equality ba talaga? Kasi feeling superior kayong mga LGBT because you used Ad Hominem sa mga taong disagree sa inyo.

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  10. May rason ibang establishments bakit bawal ang trans kasi nga may mga pedophiles o kaya manyak na pwedeng magpanggap. Bago magvideo yung trans, pinagalitan niya yung janitress nagtatalak siya dun. So nag-cause siya ng alarm and scandal. We all know how dramatic most of them are. If they want equality then ask for an LGBTQIA toilet kasi yung mga butch sa ladies CR pa din naman hindi sa panlalaki.

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  11. I am not anti LGBTQ, i respect them as a person but they should also respect our rights as women. Hindi lahat kumportable sa ideya na may kasamang trans sa cr. Pagkakataon ito sa mga pedophile or sa mga maniac na pumasok sa cr ng babae at magpanggap na trans. Pano naman kaming mga babae lalo na ang mga bata or kabataang babae? Maglagay na lang sila ng all gender CR or CR para sa mga trans para naman mapahalagaan din ang karapatan ng mga kababaihan. Sa mga nagsasabi na uneducated and unprogressive ang ganitong thinking pasensya na pero iba iba tayo ng values and belief system.

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    1. Already happening in the UK. Sex offenders suddenly "identifying" as women

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  12. Bakit ba ine equate ng mga LGBTQ ang “pag asa” ng Pilipinas sa pag accept ng mga tao sa kanila? It has nothing to do with being backward or forward. People have different belief systems. If they want respect, they should also learn to accept that not all subscribed to their level of thinking. As for the CR thing, if they have P, they go to a men’ room, if they have V they go to female’s. Kung ayaw nila, there are CR’s that caters for both genders.

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  13. Ayaw ng mga kababaihan na nasa common cr ka nila or yung cr na may mga kasama.The girls may have their reasons.It is also their rights to refuse your entry,so please make another cr yung hindi nakakasagasa din sa ibang mga tao.Pareparehas tayong may karapatan.

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  14. ok lng ako sa transwoman na napalitan n pero if hindi wag ipilit, magagamit lang yang loophole nang manyak. may rights p din ang mga babae

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  15. Puro na lang kayo "educate yourself". Dahil lang di kami agree sa inyo at sa mga gusto nyo, di kami educated? Wag nyo din sana ipilit na umagree kami sa inyo

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  16. Kung magkaron kaya ng transwoman id para legal entry/access sa female facilities? Watcha think?

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    1. Better! Too much self-entitlement na kasi. Pano namang mga rights ng REAL WOMEN. Graduate po ako ng 4-year college course, currently taking law and I am a senior manager in a known financial services company. Kaya do not say that we are uneducated.

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    2. Ain’t nobody got time to be carded just to enter a cr. Separate cr is the best and safest way for all. Bakit ba ayaw ng separate? Mga babae separate sa lalaki diba? May umangal ba noon? Sheesh.

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  17. Sa true lang, mas naiilang ako sa mga Pards na naaa ladies room, ilang beses na din kala ko mali ang napasukan ko pag nakakasalubong ko Pards. Mas comfy ako sa transgender gays sa ladies’ CR

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  18. Simple answer to this is to offer them the old/disabled/special needs comfort room but still priority pa din ang mga meron talaga.

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