From a Major Incidents perspective, the priority in situations like these should be the initial response and addressing the needs of the bereaved families while investigations are still ongoing. Communication is also important and should happen in parallel, but formal speeches or statements are best made only when there is sufficient progress and verified information. I believe Ateneo handled it appropriately. We’ve become used to wanting immediate answers and action, which often leads to rushed decisions driven by emotion rather than careful judgment.
Kapal muks! After one week ngayon lang nagsalita following outrage from the public. Magbayad kayo sa dalawang pamilya na namatay. Makulong ang dapat makulong. This is a case of hazing or reckless imprudence resulting to homicide. Either case that's a crime and somebody must be jailed. Civil indemnity given na yan considering the fact of death.
I don’t think they reacted within an appropriate time 6:22. They were taking their time hoping that media attention would die down so they can sweep it under the rug, but the public reaction has gotten even louder and that is why they are choosing to react now. Bottom line, don’t trust your children with Ateneo. Their #1 priority, over the safety and well-being of anyone, is ensuring their prestige.
ATENEO thought by not speaking eh tatahimik ang issue. Akala nila pag binusalan mga coaches, past and present players eh the issue will die down. The more na kuliglig na lang nadidinig sa kanila, the more nagagalit ang public. Nakakabastos pa na puro Facebook post ang ginagawa nila. Parang si Cayetano na ayaw humarap sa Senado at puro FB live. Nakakabastos din na un Agusan LGU pa initially ang tumulong sa remains at naiwang family ni Rene. While yung remains ni Divine andun pa din sa morgue. Malinaw naman kasi na dalawang estudyante ang namatay under their watch and care. It doesn't take a genius to conclude na may kapabayaan ang Ateneo at mga coaches nila. Tapos yung gusto pang gawing fall guy yung resort owners na 300 meters from the resort ang ginawa nilang team building kuno
6:22 they did not even reach out to the families as soon as possible. Nakita mo ba video sa nanay ni Rene?! Sa social media niya pa nalaman!!!! Dami mong alam le is che! Taga ateneo ka siguro noh?
Press release kagad ang nipost sabay NDA sa mga possible witnesses with threats to remove their scholarships. Kung isa ang anak ko dun na kasama sa team bldg, tang*na, mawalan na ng scholarship ang anak ko at ilipat ko na lang sa state U kesa grumaduate sa punyetang school na yan.
If you focus on statistics at maging logical ka 7:48, sobrang daming students ng Ateneo and there were under 5 reported scandals the school got linked to for the past 10 years. Ateneo being negligent in these, sure. However you cannot dismiss the fact that majority of the students there have no problem with the institution. Wag mong nilalahat, wag kang mag generalise. Feeling ko may hidden anger ka lang sa school deep inside? Frustrated student ka ba na di makapasa don? Di maafford? What?
If you are intelligent enough, internet is available. Highest number of fatalities that were linked to universities in the Phillipines are UP and UST.
May problema din ba sa other sports team ng Ateneo? wala di ba? Yang men's basketball team lang. So diyan ka mag focus, wag mo idamay buong school. They give great education na kahit papano magkaroon maging competent ang pinoy worldwide.
10:33 lol not you making it a direct attack to the commenter. Saying hindi mo afford, hindi nakapasa.. haha taas ng tingin mo sa sarili mo at sa school mo ha. Pathetic
10.33 its not about the number of incident but the response- gano kabilis and gano ka transparent and cooperative ano ano pa pinagsasabi mo. Incidents happen but its how you respond and handle it that matters most after. And very poor ang response ng Ateneo. Its their coach and students so they know the truth na dapat immediately nilabas to shed light sa nangyari and just accept the consequences no matter what. Thats accountability- 2 young men died and also of their own. Hindi un mananahimik muna sila to protect themselves from lawsuit or more damage. Dapat hinarap agad kasi kasalanan ng Ateneo. Dami pa palusot.
@10:28 and @10:33 Eh di duon kayo sa Ateneo na feeling nyo e super smart. Wala ngang ka empathy yung University. Being smart does not mean you should lack humanity and empathy for others. Also, being smart means knowing how to handle consequences in a timely manner, which your “smart Ateneo” did not do. Like what others have pointed out, they did not even contact the family directly nor did they help the family with the bodies of the two who died. That is not being smart. It’s playing it safe. It’s cowardliness. Being smart is also not letting athletes swim in dangerous conditions because it clearly shows there is danger.
10:33 Pa intelligent pa reply mo, statistics etc pero I agree with 5:42. Yung poor response ang pinag uusapan. What took them so long to apologize and hindi talaga terminated services ang ginawa sa mga negligent coaches, pinag resign nalang to exit with dignity. Your attempt to appear intelligent failed when u resorted to ad hominem..
4:07 sana ganyan din ang galit nyo nung may mga nalunod na estudyante na feature sa KMJS kasama din nila coach / trainor nila.. pero wala eh.... walang ganitong public outcry.. baket??? kasi di naman ateneo yun??? eto kasi ateneo eh??? pwede hingan ng millions of pesos???
Kadalasan yung criminal liability ay charged sa natural persons or individuals, hindi sa institutions. Ibig sabihin, yung persons who planned, supervised, or authorized the activity bukod pa potentially school officials, depending on the evidence and the specific law involved.
11:29.. Please use at LEAST, a bit of common sense if u do not have time to research on the matter before u reply. Otherwise, u belong to the group of people na sinasabi na dahil pwede na maka pag reply sa online platforms feeling matalino na. Kahit anonymous tayo, sana naman try your best to engage in sensible discussions lalo na kung ang topic di naman pang tsismis lang. A discussion from which we learn something " educational".
It took them quite awhile....thisbis the result of oublic clamor. They tried to make people 'stop talking' by inserting the narrative of 'let people grieve, you stop fuelling the fire, etc.' On many social media platforms including here on FP. Many of younprobably noticed. But people who are morallynoutraged and felt the suffering of the families and the hearybreaknof the 2 dead athletes just can't stop the outrsge. They, like manynof my kaFPs here, stood their ground and clamoured for action and justice.
Ateneo de Manila - isn't it too late? This is thenfirst step, these coaches must face legal justice now. But it doesn't exclude you. Ultimately, these coaches did what they did under the authority you gave them other than the coaching staff, someone else above administratively, whk did jot put the safety measures innplace and allowed the practice to happen must also resign. Reform and accountability must take place. Then, you will now how to pay liability damages to the families - for their loss.
The university must also be suspended for a time sa UAAP until they put in place safety measures. Ll your sports teams and other practices must institute risk assessment and ensure safety so this does not happen again.
Sa US baka negligence resulting to homicide yan.. kasuhan ang mga responsible at pay damages sa family 100million each. Kulang pa yan. Walang katumbas na pera ang mawalan ng anak.. baka kung ako dko kayanin mawala ako sa sarili…
8:32 The mother said that they did not inform them clearly nor in a timely manner. Nag-offer nga sila ng flights, ang tanong is kailan?? Nung nakahingi na ng tulong sa LGU saka sila mago-offer ng free flights? Eh tatanggi nga talaga yun kasi meron nang nagbigay ng tulong eh. Wag sanang performative ang Ateneo. Tsk.
Bakit ba kayo galit na galit na "late" lang mag salita? Eh di ba nga nag salita sila noon, nagalit din kayo dahil super bilis? Sa sobrang bilis, naunahan pa mag release ng statement kesa iconsole yung family ng mga victims. O di ba dun kayo imbyerna? Bat ngayong imbyerna parin? SMH
Baba naman nang comprehension nyo. First, people were reacting kase masyadong mabilis yung investigation. Second, bakit, iisa lang ba ang taong nag-ha-handle nito na di man lang nasabihan at natulungan yung family before all of these? Apparently, one of the bodies is still in the morgue. Wala man lang tumulong sa Ateneo? Hello. Bakit ba mga katulad nyu instead of trying to help by siding with the bereaved party eh gusto nyo pang tulungan at mag-side doon sa mga nangaapi? Tsk tsk tsk.
Sorry is not justice served. The families of Rene and Adil should pursue legal cases against the coaches and the school. Someone must be jailed and pay legal damages. Dalawang buhay ang nawala, hello. Hindi ito aksidente. May negligence resulting to deaths.
The question is.. Nag resign or pinag resign? Hindi enough na yung coaches ang pangutin. Liable din ang institution.. Dapat panagitin din ang admu.. The coaches worked under you. So liability and responsibility does not end with them. Kasama ang authorities above them
alam nyo father bigyan nyo ng linaw, ipainterview nyo ang mga players na witness sa pangyayari ganun din ang hotel staff para naman mabigyan linaw ang pagkamatay ng dalawang athletes
"Sorry for the pain this has caused" is sincere, but not enough. Talking about financial compensation as if charity is what is most needed from them -- no. Ateneo has to admit its own failure and its own obvious missteps, for the sake of the the 2 kids who died and the other players still under their care. Nagkulang sila, period. Aminin na nila yon so they can reflect on their actions NOW.
Sa totoo lang tayo, they don’t have plans to speak until the people’s outrage. For Ateneo the issue is nothing dahil di naman galing sa mayaman na pamilya si Rene. What they did not expect is the reaction of the public, kaya ayan.
Father ang kailangan malaman ng families detalyadong explanation bakit namatay ang anak nila. Dapat mula pagdating sa dipaculao hanggang sa nalunod. Hindi mahirap gawin yan kung meron kayong konsensiya.
tradition na yang team building na yan pati nga kay coach norman black b4 kay coach tab. normal ang ganyang activity sa totoo lang. yung ngayon lang nadisgraya yung dalawa.
Panuorin mo ung interview ng 2 na naka survive, halos sila sila lang ang nag effort para sagipin ang bawat isa at ang tagal na nila sa dagat na karamihan halos nalulunod na pero wala man lang rescuers o galing pampang na sinubukan hilain sila sa buhanginan. Alam nila na may rip current tapos di man lang handa sa ganynag sakuna? Kung may mga concern na naiwan sa pampang at tumawag agad ng saklolo, wala sanang namatay. Normal din ba sayo ang may namamatay tuwing team bldg?
nakikisimpatiya ako sa nga namatayan. pero imposible naman di nagextend ng tulong ang ateneo, baka siniraan lang din sila kasi mataas pa ang poot at galit.
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Kaloka si father. One week bago gagalaw?! Parang downgrade ang buong Ateneo. I mean max 3 days dapat may presscon na and all. One week talaga?!
ReplyDeleteEh kasi maiksi lang attention span ng Pinoy. Makakalimutan din daw
DeleteFrom a Major Incidents perspective, the priority in situations like these should be the initial response and addressing the needs of the bereaved families while investigations are still ongoing. Communication is also important and should happen in parallel, but formal speeches or statements are best made only when there is sufficient progress and verified information.
DeleteI believe Ateneo handled it appropriately. We’ve become used to wanting immediate answers and action, which often leads to rushed decisions driven by emotion rather than careful judgment.
Kapal muks! After one week ngayon lang nagsalita following outrage from the public. Magbayad kayo sa dalawang pamilya na namatay. Makulong ang dapat makulong. This is a case of hazing or reckless imprudence resulting to homicide. Either case that's a crime and somebody must be jailed. Civil indemnity given na yan considering the fact of death.
DeleteI don’t think they reacted within an appropriate time 6:22. They were taking their time hoping that media attention would die down so they can sweep it under the rug, but the public reaction has gotten even louder and that is why they are choosing to react now. Bottom line, don’t trust your children with Ateneo. Their #1 priority, over the safety and well-being of anyone, is ensuring their prestige.
DeleteATENEO thought by not speaking eh tatahimik ang issue. Akala nila pag binusalan mga coaches, past and present players eh the issue will die down. The more na kuliglig na lang nadidinig sa kanila, the more nagagalit ang public. Nakakabastos pa na puro Facebook post ang ginagawa nila. Parang si Cayetano na ayaw humarap sa Senado at puro FB live. Nakakabastos din na un Agusan LGU pa initially ang tumulong sa remains at naiwang family ni Rene. While yung remains ni Divine andun pa din sa morgue.
DeleteMalinaw naman kasi na dalawang estudyante ang namatay under their watch and care. It doesn't take a genius to conclude na may kapabayaan ang Ateneo at mga coaches nila. Tapos yung gusto pang gawing fall guy yung resort owners na 300 meters from the resort ang ginawa nilang team building kuno
Kapag hindi magsasalita, may comment. Pag magsalita, may comment pa rin. ano na gagawen.
Delete6:22 they did not even reach out to the families as soon as possible. Nakita mo ba video sa nanay ni Rene?! Sa social media niya pa nalaman!!!! Dami mong alam le is che! Taga ateneo ka siguro noh?
DeletePress release kagad ang nipost sabay NDA sa mga possible witnesses with threats to remove their scholarships. Kung isa ang anak ko dun na kasama sa team bldg, tang*na, mawalan na ng scholarship ang anak ko at ilipat ko na lang sa state U kesa grumaduate sa punyetang school na yan.
7:48 hindi stupid ang Ateneo to think that it will die down after 7 days. Don't be too naive.
DeleteIf you focus on statistics at maging logical ka 7:48, sobrang daming students ng Ateneo and there were under 5 reported scandals the school got linked to for the past 10 years. Ateneo being negligent in these, sure. However you cannot dismiss the fact that majority of the students there have no problem with the institution. Wag mong nilalahat, wag kang mag generalise. Feeling ko may hidden anger ka lang sa school deep inside? Frustrated student ka ba na di makapasa don? Di maafford? What?
DeleteIf you are intelligent enough, internet is available. Highest number of fatalities that were linked to universities in the Phillipines are UP and UST.
May problema din ba sa other sports team ng Ateneo? wala di ba? Yang men's basketball team lang. So diyan ka mag focus, wag mo idamay buong school. They give great education na kahit papano magkaroon maging competent ang pinoy worldwide.
base from my understanding ang may hawak ng basketball is alumni association foundation at smart comms. kaya siguro sila hirap magsalita
Delete10:33 lol not you making it a direct attack to the commenter. Saying hindi mo afford, hindi nakapasa.. haha taas ng tingin mo sa sarili mo at sa school mo ha. Pathetic
Delete1033 wag mo idamay ang UST at UP
DeleteNAGSALITA NA LANG KASI HINDI NA MAKAYANAN ANG OUTRAGE NG PUBLIKO!
Delete10.33 its not about the number of incident but the response- gano kabilis and gano ka transparent and cooperative ano ano pa pinagsasabi mo. Incidents happen but its how you respond and handle it that matters most after. And very poor ang response ng Ateneo. Its their coach and students so they know the truth na dapat immediately nilabas to shed light sa nangyari and just accept the consequences no matter what. Thats accountability- 2 young men died and also of their own. Hindi un mananahimik muna sila to protect themselves from lawsuit or more damage. Dapat hinarap agad kasi kasalanan ng Ateneo. Dami pa palusot.
DeleteShut up 10:33, tanggol pa kahit alam mong may mali.
Delete@10:28 and @10:33 Eh di duon kayo sa Ateneo na feeling nyo e super smart. Wala ngang ka empathy yung University. Being smart does not mean you should lack humanity and empathy for others. Also, being smart means knowing how to handle consequences in a timely manner, which your “smart Ateneo” did not do. Like what others have pointed out, they did not even contact the family directly nor did they help the family with the bodies of the two who died. That is not being smart. It’s playing it safe. It’s cowardliness. Being smart is also not letting athletes swim in dangerous conditions because it clearly shows there is danger.
Delete10:33 Pa intelligent pa reply mo, statistics etc pero I agree with 5:42. Yung poor response ang pinag uusapan. What took them so long to apologize and hindi talaga terminated services ang ginawa sa mga negligent coaches, pinag resign nalang to exit with dignity.
DeleteYour attempt to appear intelligent failed when u resorted to ad hominem..
4:07 sana ganyan din ang galit nyo nung may mga nalunod na estudyante na feature sa KMJS kasama din nila coach / trainor nila.. pero wala eh.... walang ganitong public outcry.. baket??? kasi di naman ateneo yun??? eto kasi ateneo eh??? pwede hingan ng millions of pesos???
DeleteThey need to be convicted! Come on Philippines law!
ReplyDeleteAteneo dapat ang managot.. hindi naman gagawin ng mga coach if you walang approval and school !
ReplyDeletesira! yun coach may kasalanan! wala na hawak ateneo dyan. isip isip
Deletedin!
Kadalasan yung criminal liability ay charged sa natural persons or individuals, hindi sa institutions. Ibig sabihin, yung persons who planned, supervised, or authorized the activity bukod pa potentially school officials, depending on the evidence and the specific law involved.
Delete11:29 pinagsasabe mo e open secret na nga yan! Tas pinagsabihan na sila ng ex wife ni Tab di sila nakinig.Enabler kamo sila
Delete11:29.. Please use at LEAST, a bit of common sense if u do not have time to research on the matter before u reply.
DeleteOtherwise, u belong to the group of people na sinasabi na dahil pwede na maka pag reply sa online platforms feeling matalino na. Kahit anonymous tayo, sana naman try your best to engage in sensible discussions lalo na kung ang topic di naman pang tsismis lang. A discussion from which we learn something " educational".
True leadership is shown not only in success but also in owning up to shortcomings. Hoping this paves the way for healing and trust.
ReplyDeletePinagresign o takot lang makulong?
ReplyDelete6:31 pwede pa rin naman makulong kahit nagresign
Deletekinausap na yan ni fr kaso di sila
ReplyDeletema
media. yan ang totoo no! walang kasalanan si fr. habulin niyo yan tab baldwin na yan!
It took them quite awhile....thisbis the result of oublic clamor. They tried to make people 'stop talking' by inserting the narrative of 'let people grieve, you stop fuelling the fire, etc.' On many social media platforms including here on FP. Many of younprobably noticed. But people who are morallynoutraged and felt the suffering of the families and the hearybreaknof the 2 dead athletes just can't stop the outrsge. They, like manynof my kaFPs here, stood their ground and clamoured for action and justice.
ReplyDeleteAteneo de Manila - isn't it too late? This is thenfirst step, these coaches must face legal justice now. But it doesn't exclude you. Ultimately, these coaches did what they did under the authority you gave them other than the coaching staff, someone else above administratively, whk did jot put the safety measures innplace and allowed the practice to happen must also resign. Reform and accountability must take place. Then, you will now how to pay liability damages to the families - for their loss.
The university must also be suspended for a time sa UAAP until they put in place safety measures. Ll your sports teams and other practices must institute risk assessment and ensure safety so this does not happen again.
Sa US baka negligence resulting to homicide yan.. kasuhan ang mga responsible at pay damages sa family 100million each. Kulang pa yan. Walang katumbas na pera ang mawalan ng anak.. baka kung ako dko kayanin mawala ako sa sarili…
ReplyDeleteAng mga mag comment dito halatang hindi tinapos ang video at mahina comprehension. Sigh
ReplyDeleteYan ang pinoy eh. Urada lagi!
Deletedi naman matitibag ateneo sa issue na ito... sadly life will just move on to be honest...
Deletedami ding fake news like ateneo didn't take prompt action. ateneo did offer free flights to the family of rene but they declined.
8:32 The mother said that they did not inform them clearly nor in a timely manner. Nag-offer nga sila ng flights, ang tanong is kailan?? Nung nakahingi na ng tulong sa LGU saka sila mago-offer ng free flights? Eh tatanggi nga talaga yun kasi meron nang nagbigay ng tulong eh. Wag sanang performative ang Ateneo. Tsk.
DeleteFr. with the faux tears. Tsk tsk.
ReplyDeleteAteneo's rep down the drain. Yung response niyo ang tagal
ReplyDeleteTheir apologies aren't enough.
ReplyDeleteThey should be held accountable and penalized for the death of these 2 student athletes. They caused their death😔,
Bakit ba kayo galit na galit na "late" lang mag salita? Eh di ba nga nag salita sila noon, nagalit din kayo dahil super bilis? Sa sobrang bilis, naunahan pa mag release ng statement kesa iconsole yung family ng mga victims. O di ba dun kayo imbyerna? Bat ngayong imbyerna parin? SMH
ReplyDeleteSus alam mo naman mga Filipinos, sala sa init...sala sa lamig. Di na nga nagiisip, attack lang ng attack.
DeleteBaba naman nang comprehension nyo. First, people were reacting kase masyadong mabilis yung investigation. Second, bakit, iisa lang ba ang taong nag-ha-handle nito na di man lang nasabihan at natulungan yung family before all of these? Apparently, one of the bodies is still in the morgue. Wala man lang tumulong sa Ateneo? Hello. Bakit ba mga katulad nyu instead of trying to help by siding with the bereaved party eh gusto nyo pang tulungan at mag-side doon sa mga nangaapi? Tsk tsk tsk.
DeleteAfter their resignation, everything will be back to normal :D :D :D Asa pa kayong may justice ;) ;) ;)
ReplyDeletei know some will say ang tagal ng response. considering Ateneo's part, i think they put a lot of consideration before speaking out.
ReplyDeleteThe male basketball team should not join UAAP this season. Out of delicadeza.
ReplyDeleteThey should be investigated also, in light of hazing accusations.
DeleteSorry is not justice served. The families of Rene and Adil should pursue legal cases against the coaches and the school. Someone must be jailed and pay legal damages. Dalawang buhay ang nawala, hello. Hindi ito aksidente. May negligence resulting to deaths.
ReplyDeleteThe question is.. Nag resign or pinag resign? Hindi enough na yung coaches ang pangutin. Liable din ang institution.. Dapat panagitin din ang admu.. The coaches worked under you. So liability and responsibility does not end with them. Kasama ang authorities above them
ReplyDeletealam nyo father bigyan nyo ng linaw, ipainterview nyo ang mga players na witness sa pangyayari ganun din ang hotel staff para naman mabigyan linaw ang pagkamatay ng dalawang athletes
ReplyDeleteMay prestige nga pero walang empathy at konsensya. Sayang yung mga bata
ReplyDeleteTHIS. parang un nangyari sa mga cats na bigla na lang nawala lahat ng cats na inaalagaan ng community. wala talagang empathy.. tama ka..
Delete"Sorry for the pain this has caused" is sincere, but not enough. Talking about financial compensation as if charity is what is most needed from them -- no. Ateneo has to admit its own failure and its own obvious missteps, for the sake of the the 2 kids who died and the other players still under their care. Nagkulang sila, period. Aminin na nila yon so they can reflect on their actions NOW.
ReplyDeleteOut of delicadeza Ateneo should voluntary refrain from participati in the UAAP this year
ReplyDeleteUso pa ba ang delikadesa? Kasi parang wala nang delikadesa ang mga Pilipino ngayon.
DeleteSa totoo lang tayo, they don’t have plans to speak until the people’s outrage. For Ateneo the issue is nothing dahil di naman galing sa mayaman na pamilya si Rene. What they did not expect is the reaction of the public, kaya ayan.
ReplyDeleteFather ang kailangan malaman ng families detalyadong explanation bakit namatay ang anak nila. Dapat mula pagdating sa dipaculao hanggang sa nalunod. Hindi mahirap gawin yan kung meron kayong konsensiya.
ReplyDeletetradition na yang team building na yan pati nga kay coach norman black b4 kay coach tab. normal ang ganyang activity sa totoo lang. yung ngayon lang nadisgraya yung dalawa.
ReplyDelete8:05 bakit naman kasi ginawa nilang buwis-buhay yung team building. Just because lagi nilang ginagawa doesnt mean its normal or ok
DeleteNormal ang team building kahit saan. Yung pagiging irresponsible ng committee/coaches ang hindi!
DeletePanuorin mo ung interview ng 2 na naka survive, halos sila sila lang ang nag effort para sagipin ang bawat isa at ang tagal na nila sa dagat na karamihan halos nalulunod na pero wala man lang rescuers o galing pampang na sinubukan hilain sila sa buhanginan. Alam nila na may rip current tapos di man lang handa sa ganynag sakuna? Kung may mga concern na naiwan sa pampang at tumawag agad ng saklolo, wala sanang namatay. Normal din ba sayo ang may namamatay tuwing team bldg?
Deletenabawasan talaga respeto ko sa institusyong to kakahiya
ReplyDeleteSelf proclaimed na best university in the country pa man din! 🤦♀️
Deletenakikisimpatiya ako sa nga namatayan. pero imposible naman di nagextend ng tulong ang ateneo, baka siniraan lang din sila kasi mataas pa ang poot at galit.
ReplyDeleteNope, none. AdDU, oo.
Deletei believe you fr and sa akin, you are forgiven.
ReplyDeleteWow, you are forgiven. At sino ka para mag forgive? ikaw ba ang namatayan at kamag anak ng mga muntik na din malunod? Marites ka lang uy
DeleteAre you the family? Do you feel their grief? Are you God?
DeleteHahaha
ReplyDeleteMas ok pa yung namuno sa Ateneo de Davao sa inyo
ReplyDelete