Saturday, September 21, 2019

Insta Scoop: More than Copying Designs? Benj Leguiab IV and Charbel Zoe Continue to Exchange Barbs at the Personal Level

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The truth will set us free and God is my witness. I don't want to post this because i have highly respect to my ex- head Designer, even we don't have a legal agreement i accept to keep this confidential in both of us. But you force me to tell the truth. 4 years ago i left the company but why you telling people that my presents designs now are yours? Way back 2013-2014 i worked in kuwait under the name of Charbel Zoe Couture as his Assistant Designer. In 2015 i Go back to Philippines and i wasn't able to go back in kuwait so i decided to stay in my home town to have my own job and to continue working with myself. In 2016 i started my career as a Fashion Designer using my own Brand Name, in 2017-2019 by the God's grace my career in Fashion Industry become successful, i have a lot of clients even outside of the country, my Brand name become well-known in the pageantry and celebrity artists. Yesterday i got news about my ex boss named Charbel sharing my work/Designs gown on his Instagram that he is the owner of that design, he's grabbing these creations that is totally mine. He spreading to his statements that i Stole his Sketches and designs, he used to edit one sketch to show the people that the design i made for Gazini is his design. Now this is the proof that some of the sketches and designs he has posted on his instagram is totally my sketch/Design i made this during the time i was working on him, He messaged me on instagram telling that i stole 300 copies of sketches/Designs -by means How could i stole the sketches and designs that actually i am the one who made those stuffs. A lot of people don't know the story about my relationship with my ex boss, the put me a conclusion that "why my style having a big resemblance in his creation" - simply means me and charbel had worked and collaborated together before and all my designs and ideas is only in one style..
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117 comments:

  1. Sad naman ang nangyari sa mentor and protege na ito. Ang designs ba ng staff during the tenure of employment ay property na ng fashion house? Ganito ba ang normal practice?

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    1. depende siguro eh sabi nga wala silang contract

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    2. Depends on the clause of employment.

      I think there is something called Proprietary Property. So if Benjie made these designs while on CZ’s payroll or while interning (paid or unpaid), they legally belong to CZ.

      Masakit man isipin na original idea ni Benjie nga designs nya, he could not use them without getting permission from the legal owner. He could be sued for infringement.

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    3. Wlang ganong usapan eh and wlang contract so malamang wala. Ang besides di nmn ginamit yung mga nakaw daw ng designs. Mga bagaong likha daw yung mga ginawa ni Benj ngayon. So walang nakaw.

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    4. Yes, since employed ka and paid ang rightful owner at ang boss mo.

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    5. If you are an employee, nothing belongs to you. Your employer owns everything you produce. That’s why you are called an employee.

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    6. Kung walang kontrata, intellectual property law ang gagana at kung employed siya, sa employer talaga yung designs

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  2. Pwede ang criteria, kung sino ang mas maayos ang grammar sya ang tunay na designer. Hahaha. Benta ng Mefenamic sa post na ito ng mga atih. Sakit sa ulo.

    Magtagalog nalang, mas madedefend pa ang sarili at makakahugot. It’s not bad to try to speak English, but if you cannot express yourself properly why bother, aral nalang muna.

    Gets naman kung anong pinaglalaban nila but when you’re throwing bricks at one another, saying offensive words in English doesn’t make you any classy.

    Kung may nanakaw na design, eh di idemanda.

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    1. Sis wag kang elitista jan. Foreigner ung isang deisgner ung isa pinoy. Di siguro nila first language ang English kaya hirap sila. Pero un lang ang only way para magkaintindihan dahil magkaiba sila mg nationality. Research research din tayo pag may time

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    2. 12:06 Truth. Lebanese si Charbel.

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    3. 12:06 exactly!

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    4. Wag kang feeling bakla. Malamang kahit hirap mag English ang mga yan xmpre mag Eenglish sila pra magka intindihan sila sa mga pasaring nila. So anong gusto mo mag tatalak si Charbel in Lebanese then sasagot ng tagalog si Benj? Edi mas lumala ang issue. Loka ka, di ka nag iisip. Ako ang mkakainom ng Advil dahil sayo.

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    5. Eto namang si 6:26, nagfocus sa english. eh pano yan, mas magaling ka nga sa grammar, kinulang ka naman sa comprehension. nakalagay naman sa post na lebanese designer si charbel

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    6. 6:36 nadale mo! Haha burn 6:26! Kaloka kaya wala nangyayareng pgumlad stin dahil sa mga kagaya mo mgisip! Di basehan ng pangunawa ang pgeenglish! Importante ung thought at comprehension above all! ☺️

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  3. bad break up lol.. anyhow the designs of charbel can be seen online 2013 2014 collection na ginamit ni benj..

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  4. Now I understand why his English is like that. Anyway I support Benj . Rags to riches story . Inspiring!

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  5. Mga vaklang twooooooh! Ayaw ni Mama Renee ng ganyan.

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  6. Pang telenovela naman yung away nila. Lol. Sino kaya talaga.

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  7. Naku, mukhang tatagal pa ito. Pass the nachos please! Mas masustansya kahit papaano.

    So teka, sino ba talaga gumawa?

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    1. So benj ang gumawa nung nagtatrabaho pasya under charbel pero wala silang legalities which means, charbel cannot claim benj's works as his

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    2. Ghost designer siya ni Charbel.

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    3. 12:56 Ikaw na nagsabi, nagtratrabaho sya kay Charbel. Meaning he was paid for that design. Meaning si Charbel ang may ari nun. Not Benj.

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    4. Yah ghost designer habang nagbabakasyon c ateng charbel

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  8. Mukhang sa side ako ni Charbel Zoe.

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    1. Ako din kasi kahit si Benj ang nag design still bayad sya ng mga panahon na yun because he was working for Charbel so whatever design na yan nung mga panahon na yun ay pag aari ni Charbel.

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    2. Hindi nga nya ginamit ang mga nasa lookbook na design. 2015 pa na mga designs yun. Gumawa xa ng mga bago ngayon na sa kanya na mismo. Well mentor nya dati si Charbel so malamang may mga resemblance ang mga gawa nila but it's never okay na you'll claim it kasi feeling mo ideas mo yun. It's a big NO. Why can't a mentor just be happy and be proud of his mentee? Kaloka

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    3. kaso wala naman pala kontratang pinirmahan.

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    4. That's not the point. Kahit walang kontrata dapat may delikadesa ang isang tao, may kontrata o wala eh dapat may respeto sa taong minsan tumulong kay Benj nung nag uumpisa pa lang sya. Ang problema kasi sa empleyado minsan, porket nakatulong sa employer feeling na nila eh dahil sa kanila kaya kumikita ang hanap buhay, totoo din naman yun pero dapat wag di kalimutan na nung wala silang trabaho, binigyan sila ng pagkakataon ng employer nila magka hanap buhay kaya nga si Benj naging bihasa sa pagiging designer dahil malaki din ang naitulong sa kanya ng mentor nya.

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    5. @2:00 Kini-claim ni Charbel yung design ni Benj dahil ginawa ni Benj ang design na yan nag wowork pa sya under Charbel so may right na iclaim ni Charbel designs na yan.

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    6. Hindi mo matatanggi na may pagkakahawig ang past design nung Benj sa mga bago niyang designs,dahil gawa niyang lahat yan.

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  9. May point naman si Benj Leguiab .. I tend to side with him on this...

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    1. Kung ganon edi mga ex-animator ng Disney can claim yung character look was theirs? So no, you created those under the name of your boss that's his property

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    2. Yan pinakamalinaw na analogy

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  10. Well mas maganda kinalabasan ng gawa ni Charbel.

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    1. Maganda pagka edit kamo?

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    2. Digital drawing lang yung sa kanya. Na execute nya ba?

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    3. Para malaman,sige nga ipadrawing mo yan kay Charbel from scratch para magkaalaman.

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  11. ansaket naman sa ulo mag away nitong dalawa

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  12. Parang hindi naman... maybe inspired, but not copied at all. Most of the gowns have similarities nowadays since it is the trend, but it all depends too on the material and execution.

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    1. Benjie used to intern for Charbel. He made designs for the company. It is natural for Benjie to sort of develop similar ideas and skills in making patterns and lines. I see a lot of Charbel’s signature in Benjie gowns. Or is it the other way around? Not really sure, I’m just here for the chizmiz. 😝

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    2. 12:30 charbel mentored benj but during the time benj worked for him, benj was the one who designed the gowns at wala silang papel na pinirmahan so by default, pag aari ni benj ang disenyo nya at di pwedeng ankinin ni charbel. Naiinggit siguro ang charbel na ito pagkat umaangat na ang dati nyang empleyado. Wag ganun te, maging masaya para sa iba lalo na tayo ang naging dahilan ng pag angat nila.

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    3. True 12:59 feeling ko din e.Kumbaga marami silang designers sa likod ng Charbel brand.

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    4. 12:59 Wala silang pinirmahan while Benj was working for Charbel kaya by default kay Charbel yung designs kasi it was done for Charbel while Benj was employed by him

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    5. 8:16 Tama! Di magets ng mga tao yan!

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  13. Hmmmmmm which is which. Gusto ko maniwala dun sa Pinoy designer kasi di naman sya mag wawala at mag cocomment kung totoong sya ung nag nakaw ng designs. At di sya mag popost ng ganyang caption kung sya nag nakaw. Pero sabi naman kasi nung foreign designer, nawala dw ung mga designs nya...?

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    1. Madaling sabihin nawala ang designs. You just need to take a picture of the design. Why bother steal it??? Too much effort...

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    2. ninakaw daw ni Benj ang lookbook nya nung 2015 and laman ng lookbok eh mga sketches nmn ni Benj na ginawa nya for Charbel while itong si Charbel pa trip trip lang kong saan saan. Feeling nya itong mga gawa ni Benj ngayon ang laman ng lookbook na yun kaya kiniclaim nya. Sabi ni Benj hindi nya ginamit ang mga designs na yun pra na din wlang issue. See? Hindi nga matandaan ni Charbel kong yung mga new designs ngayon ay ang laman ng lookbook eh kasi di nmn xa ang gumawa. Malamang kong titingnan nya almost magkakatulad gawa nila eh syempre siya ang mentor and collab sila before. And besides halos lahat ng designers ngayon halos magkakaperaha lang ang gawa. Iba iba lang kunyari yung mga pattern pro same lang ang itsura. Duh

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  14. Labanan ng ingles! Lols

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    1. 1:45 Kung makalabanan ka ng English halatang di ka na nakaalis sa bundok mo. People in other places that are heavily multicultural use the English Language as a medium for understanding, with less emphasis on technicalities. Dubai, Vietnam, Thailand, etc. speak the same broken English due to different linguistic backgrounds, but they understand one another. Many of them know 2 to 3 languages, and here you are implying you are better because you think your English is better. Lol. So ignorant.

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    2. Hay naku. Nakakaloka yung mga ganitong insult. I know na english is part of the curriculum sa atin, but yung mga may advantage lang, either socioeconomic or high intellectual capacity, ang nakakamaster ng english. Ang isang middle class na bata na nasa private school at may nakapaligid na mga middle to upper class who speak english on a daily basis vs ang batang halos di makabili ng libro or hindi makapasok sa eskwela dahil walang baon eh magkakaiba sa pagbuild ng knowledge dahil maraming barriers yung isa to learn, unless yung inherent characteristics nung bata ay special to the point na naovercome lahat ng obstacles. Let's face it, hindi lahat ng nasa prestigious na eskwelahan at mga inglisero nandun because they're part of the 10% or so ng mga pinakacapable, pinakamatatalino, at pinakatalented tao sa pilipinas. A lot of them are there dahil they were average people who have access to tutoring, exam preps, and tuition funds, but they're no jose rizal. FFS, mocha went to UST at marunong magenglish.

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    3. 10:45 you are ignorant!

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    4. Chill ka lang 11:47. 10:45 is just adding a bit of humor to this ongoing saga. Totoo naman na gone are the days when our advantage over our Asian counterparts is our proficiency in the English language - both spoken and written. Agree though that a poor command of the language doesnt make you less intellectually endowed in terms of comprehension .

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  15. Ayy popcorn please. Iba naaaaa haha

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  16. Sakit sa bangs. Englishan. Ay hala mag pagsabog kau ng mga magagandang designs nyo. Tingnan ntin sino ang winner at lotlot de Leon.

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  17. wait ah tamad ako mag google, pareho ba silang pinoy? nahilo kasi ko sa english skills nila.

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    1. Cast of characters:

      Benj—Pinoy, used to intern for Charbel in Kuwait. Now independent designer, mostly pageant gowns.

      Charbel—Lebanese, Hollywood-based. Designs gowns for JLo, Britney, Paris Hilton, Shakira, and many other A-list celebrities (is Lele Pons A-list?) and performers.

      Us—chismozas. 😂

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    2. Wow kung ganyan kadami alisters clientele nya y bother?

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    3. Coz Benj is a paid worker who has no legal claim to those designs. I’ve read Charbel’s been warning him about the use of those designs, not sure how true, don’t quote me on that. Baka napuno si mamang Charbs.

      The way Benj has been handling this issue may have added fuel to the fire too.

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  18. Sakit sa ulo grammar ng mga to! Anyway, if they have a non-compete agreement, hindi nya pwedeng gamitin designs na ginawa nya during his tenure with charbel for a certain period of time. pero after nyan fair game na.

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  19. kahit mag design pa sya ng 1000 or 10000 sketches if during that time drinowing mo at ginawa yan habang employed ka pa under him eh di hindi mo pag aari yan. technically the company owns it. hindi mo pwede i claim na sayo yan kahit ikaw pa ang nag drawing! kasi bayad ka nya as empleyado.

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    1. Super. From what I know, Benj was an illustrator of Charbel. So basically he was jud sketching the design from Charbel's mind. I also saw Charbel's works from his IG and I can really see the similarities in their designs. I think I'll take Charbels's side.

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    2. e wala silang contract so paano ? anong laban ni charbel?

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    3. Technically, the company owns it kung may kontrata silang pinirmahan. Kaso wala, so technically, pag aari ni benj un.

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    4. Unless they have a different arrangement, the designs are covered under Proprietary Property.

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    5. Benj ako dito,and to make sure,ipadrawing nyo ulit yang design para magkaalamanan.Kung mabilis niyang magagawa ang design,then that's benj.

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    6. Sabi nga ni Benj hindi nya ginamit yung mga design na nasa look book na ninakaw daw pra wlang issue. Now that he has his new creation which is since collab sila before eh tlgang halos magka pareha. Inaangkin na ngayon ni Charbel. Wla nmn xang habol tlga don.

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    7. In that case, then they're both grimy. Charbel most likely provided mentorship sa umpisa to ensure that the designs benj produced while he's an intern fit his company's aesthetics and quality standards, then eventually started giving benj work and responsibilities na siya mismo dapat ang gumagawa (like most immigrant worker-employee relationshp tbh). Benj prolly got embittered na iba ang nakikinabang sa gawa niya so he took advantage of the fact na wala silang legal agreement. I get it, if nagdaan ka sa process na ini-sketch mo yung design, pumili ka ng fabric and iba pang material na gagamitin, tapos tinahi mo...it does feel yours so I get na it doesn't feel like you were doing something wrong at all na gamitin mo yung design for your own brand. But kelangan din siguro iconsider na yung buong aesthetic ng mga design at yung techniques na ginamit to make the clothes eh hindi natutunan ni benj on his own or hindi galing sa sarili niyang proseso, kundi directly na ipinasa sa kanya ni charbel. Kung may strong sense of integrity ang dalawang ito one would've completely started from scratch and not rehashed past designs that he made while he was working for somwbody else, while the other would've offered to give back the designs that his intern made under him nang kusa (unless those designs were paid for, then he should give him the chance to buy them back from him)

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    8. Kung meron contract/agreement dapat nilabas na yun ni charbel

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    9. True, as a paid worker, no product belongs to you. It belong to the owner of the business. That’s basic law.

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    10. With or without contract, the fact that it was done during his employment with Charbel, it was and is Charbel's.

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    11. exactly my thoughts. the thing is the foreigner boss release and made those gowns lumabas na sa runway nya years before so when you do them TODAY 2019 that means ikaw nangopya di ba???

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  20. Listen, look, listen and learn...dapat malinaw lagi employer-employee agreement. Do the works become property of the boss/company? Yun dapat nalinaw noon pa

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    1. The product t always belong to the owner of the business or company. A paid worker has no claim to the product.

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    2. No,2:25his ownership ends with the employment.So after the employment,Benj is free to make his own designs under his own brand.No one can stop him even his previous employer.

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  21. Kampi ako sa Pinoy dito, kasi mga ibang designers sa America lalo na ang mga ibang lahi (arab, Latino) eh gagamitin talaga mga intern para lng makapag bakasyon habang ibang tao na gawa ng work nila , ugali ng mga pasosyal yan dito sa America, kukuha ng someone dedicated sa work tas aabusuhin ng todo, jusko laganap sa California at Florida mga ganyan

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    1. It makes no difference. The business owner owns any product they produced while working for the business owner.

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    2. Other designs outside the employer,the designer has the right to execute his own ideas which are similar to his previous designs.

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  22. I’m with Benj! Similar is not identical and Charbel Zoe shouldn’t feel so threatened but flattered. When the student outgrows the master an insecure master gets jelous. This sounds personal to me.

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  23. Triggered si mamang charbel. Go benj, ipaglaban mo kung ano ang sa iyo.

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    1. He was a paid employer. Nothing belongs to him. That’s the law.

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  24. I dunno, it seems like limited ang understanding ni pinoy designer regarding plagiarism/ownership ng intellectual property, pero mukhang it's coming from a place of ignorance and not lack of integrity(hopefully). The way he defends himself sa mga issues niya like yung pageant costume design na inspired ang concept from miss indonesia(?) and now itong allegedly paggamit niya ng mga designs na ginawa niya as intern under someone else's business makes you think na kulang ang understanding niya in terms of those things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but unless he purchased the right to those designs back from charbel then he doesnt have the right to use them. He can be influenced by the aesthetic, but yung exact same designs na ginawa niya under charbel, he's gotta let those go.

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  25. I think ang umisip nito ay si Benj,yung Charbel lang ang may ari ng fashion house,para magkaalaman,ipadrawing nyo ulit yan sa benj.Kasi kung kanya talaga yan,mabilis niyang ma execute.

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  26. Ang sa akin lang,benj ako dito.Kasi feeling ko marami silang designers ang under the wing ni Charbel.Kumbaga sa Gucci,isa yung Benj sa designers.Nainggit lang yung may ari dahil nagkaka sariling pangalan na yung Benj internationally.

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    1. Hindi sya inggit kasi mas kilala sya. Insecure yun

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    2. Yun nga din eh.Pero yun na talaga ang designs nung Benj even after he works for Charbel.

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  27. ang harsh naman nung "i took you from the street" kahit pa sabihin mong binayaran yung benj still nakinabang din naman yung charbel sa designs niya. basta arabo talaga matapobre hindi ko nilalahat pero mostly ganyan sila.

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    1. Yeah,isa kang hampaslu,dinamitan kita,pinakain.hahaha,very telenovelaish

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  28. so ghost designer pala si Benj, now nagiging malinaw na. kung wala contract at hindi patented walang habol is Chabel. db meron din isang Pinoy designer an ghost designer ng isang arab designer?

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    1. Being employed and paid by the business owner is already a contract. That means that the worker agreed to be paid for all his products.

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    2. Point os,hindi nyo mapipigil yung Benj na gumawa ng design na nahahawig sa dati niyang gawa while he was still working for Charbel.Utak nya ginamit dun di ba.

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  29. There's nothing new under the sun. Kung walang legal agreement na all work product during his time working under Chabel, - kay Benj magfafall ang ownership ng design.

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    1. Wrong, if he got paid to work for the business owner then, he already got paid for that product. No legal agreement required. The money paid to an employee means that the owner paid for the product. Gets mo.

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  30. Hmmm....if you work for someone or any company, all the product or work you have done belong to the owner of the business or company. You were hired as a worker and got paid for any product you’ve produced. You as a worker have no claim to that product anymore. It is that simple.

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  31. Hay naku, simply lang yan. If you are a paid worker, nothing belongs to you. You are paid to produce, you don’t own anything, the owner of the business owns everything. It is that clear.

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    1. Not all the time, try watching Project Runway and you'll see that the fashion world is not as the same as a regular corporate set up.

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    2. sabi nya sa comment hindi nya ginamit ang mga designs nya nun intern pa sya,ang issue daw even his new creations kine-claim nun lebanese.

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    3. Of course,Benj creations would look similar to his previous designs,because they all come from his own creative idea.

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  32. Both have mistakes on this:
    1. Once a fashion house employs you, everything including sketches, concepts even toiles are automatically owned by the employer. Kasi you are working for them and you get paid.

    2. Charbel should have a contract where you can never have a design relased outside the fashion house with 90% similarities.

    3. Benj should have alter those sketches kasi legally alam niya those designs were already seen by his previous employer, as a designer you need to develop and evolve your style para hindi ka stagnant in a fast paced industry like fashion.

    And most of all, both of them like any other gown/dress designers have similar silhouettes, process and aesthetics. 'Nothing is original, the only difference is your personal taste'. And that is my dear called POSTMODERNISM in design theory.

    I work as a designer in a known label overseas bdw. :)

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  33. Past is past db? Bkt ngayon lng nag rereklamo yang charbel na yan. Lets say bayad nga si benj sa nkaraang design bkt hanggang ngayon inaanggkin nya ung design

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  34. It's funny how I try to decipher what these two are trying to say.

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  35. Fight Benj! If in your heart alam mong tapat ang trabaho mo, kailangan lo ring lumaban. It’s about time na lumaban din tayo laban sa mga banyaga na mapanggamit just bcos we’re hardworkers.

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    1. Meh, don’t talk as if he is right. If he got paid for the designs, he doesn’t own then anymore. Gets mo. It’s that clear and simple.

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  36. Masakit sa ulo yung English nila pareho 😂😂😂

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  37. Kapag employee ka. All your works belong to your employer while you are working with them. They paid you for that and that is your job. Pareho lang yan ng ibang profession tulad ng mga architect, web designer etc.

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  38. You said it yourself, he is your ex-boss. It implies that your designs are paid for by him and that makes it the company's work product. It is not a collaboration if you already got paid for every design you submitted to the company. Design company has the rightful claim over the designs.

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    1. The thing is,when this Benj leaves the fashion house,he carries his own unique style,kaya magkamukha sa dating gawa dahil siya nga ang artist.

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  39. Ang isa pa pala...Benj was the one who executed and fleshed out the design. Pangalan niya ang nasa tag ng damit. It’s just funny how Charbel used photos nila Gazzini etc and claimed them as his, pero Benj was the one who executed the designs. Charbel could’ve arranged his attack differently, hindi ganyan.

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  40. So ito palang mga malaking fashion house,
    Naghihire sila ng ghost designers at hindi yung mismong sikat na designer ang may gawa.
    Kumbaga pinagawa sa iba at nilagay lang ang pangalan ng charbel.This is sooo wrong!

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    1. As far as I know this has been the norm, there's just no way a designer can design all of those clothes on their own dahil sa time constraints, especially those giant fashion brands na apart from clothing may bags, shoes, sunglasses, eyeglasses, etc. Yung creative director parang general aesthetics lang yata yung inooffer.

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    2. When the big designers started their business they do the designing, pero siyempre pag malaki na ang company nagiging boss na lang sila. Kahit naman saang company ganyan.

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  41. Naka off na comment ni charbel

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  42. Idk pero kay benjie ako. Lakas maka movie/series neto ah.

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    1. Parang may ganyan dati starring la greta and Bea.

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  43. May ghost writers ba mga ito? Ang sakit sa ulo. Bigla biglang umaayos ang grammar tapos waley ulit.

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  44. if you got paid for your designs while you worked for that label, sorry to break it to you hun but those designs belong to that label now, it doesnt matter if those designs were your idea

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