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Wednesday, October 25, 2017

Insta Scoop: Netizens Unhappy with Cheska Kramer's Marriage Framework















Images courtesy of Instagram: chekakramer

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  1. the roles dictated on the husband and wife are a bit troubling. Both can protect the & provide for the family, as well as take care of the children and household.
    And both the people in this commitment SUBMIT to EACH OTHER and not just one person. Why does it have to be a hierarchy between two people in a marriage to make it work?

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    1. because God said so

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    2. People who do not understand Christian love will have a hard time understanding or following it. But that is how it is best for those who do.

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    3. read and meditate the word of God

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    4. Read the Bible, andun kasi lahat ng turo ng Diyos, sad lang kasi sa Catholic di nareremind or ineencourage na magbasa ng Bible kaya madaming Catholic ang walang alam sa Salita ng Diyos at mga turo't comamnds nya. - former Catholic

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    7. Ayan tayo eh! We ask for equality pero pag dating sa marriage hindi equal. Anebenemen? Minsan naisip ba natin na baka mali ang pagka interpret natin ng biblia?

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    8. read 1 corinthians 11:3. napakasimple naman ang pagkaka-state dyan para ma-misinterpret. men and women are created equal but they have different roles designated by God. nasa sa yo na lng yan kung gusto mong sundin o hindi.

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  2. Iba ibang pananaw naman yan. Dami hanash ng mga netizens. I think wala namang masamang intention or message si cheska na gusto iparating. Kaya chill lang 😉

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    1. Agree, masyadong sensitive mga tao ngayon, lahat na lang kinaooffend nila.

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  3. Mahirap na topics ang politics, religion, and health for conversation.

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    1. Sabi nga, never discuss money, politics and religion.

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    2. 12:26am, 12:49am -- TRUE.

      That's the problem kasi when you always feel the need to justify "all Bible verses" in detail. There has to be a leeway because you will go crazy once you take it the wrong way most of the time.

      Nourish yourself with the words of God in a way that it does not turn into a "cult" way of living.

      "pabibo" kasi minsan mga "pa-Christian na V" na yan. Instead of promoting equality, understanding and faith, annoying ang approach nila. Mas feeling superior pa sa Bible and priests mismo.

      They think they know everything in the Bible because they "read" all of those things, and interpret in their own way.

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    3. I couldn't agree more 1:36!

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    4. How can God's Word turn your living in a ''cult'' way 1:36am?? Ano yan, you'll take or read the Bible para lang sa convenience mo or sa kung saan ka comfortable at di ''makaka-offend sa iba''?? Sorry na lang, kung ano ang turo o Salita ng Diyos sa Bible ke gusto nyo o hindi, ke agree kayo o hindi, still hindi yun magbabago. Yun pa rin ang TRUTH. Tama naman yung sa post ni Cheska a! Her post is not from her, IT IS FROM GOD HIMSELF, shinare nya lang. Ano yan, mas madunong pa kayo sa Diyos ganon?? At FYI, CCF church nila. And also, Catholic ka ba?

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  4. We are all entitled to our own opinions. We all have different perspectives in life

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    1. Yes. Live and let live na lang.

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  5. So if it's 2017? So what's if it's old fashioned ?Yan ang paniniwala ni cheska e. If you don't agree on it she's not forcing you to follow what she believes in... if you have to work for your family edi work ... Kung Kaya ng asawa mo mabuhay buhayin ka your darn lucky ha well not lucky I mean blessed. Diskarte ng family yan.

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    1. Korek it works sa family nila ang happy sila so bakit ang aarte ng ibaa

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    2. Iba paniniwala ni Cheska. Iba paniniwala nunga mga nag-comments. Wala naman masama sa exchanges nila.actually maganda nga conversation nila kasi constructive. Anyway, Cheska made her post public, so expect reaction from the public. 2017 na, we are in this participatory culture. Production and dissemination of ideas and information are not restricted to the privileged anymore. Peace.

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    3. Yun ang paniniwala ni cheska at dapat irespect ng mga Tao. Don't give a. reason its 2017 Hinde lahat ng Tao agree Sa sinabi ni cheska at may ibang Tao din agree sa kanya. Again it's the mother and father decision if they want to work or not Basta importante they can provide the needs of the family.

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    4. not because we are living in modern world, we would do things different from His Words. common people, that is what get this world worse.
      you keep on standing to the belief that you will be benefited or something that good in your hears.
      better to Read God's word. That is our manual.
      unless you are not God's Children.

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  6. Hindi ako agree. But that is her page, her opinion. Kaya respeto na lang. If that works for her family, who are we to say na mali yan.

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    1. Its a public page ate so natural magrereact mga tao, besides they are public figures and can influence the people on “marriage roles” which i think their views do not apply sa panahon ngayon

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    2. If she was the one earning and the husband brings less to the table, will she redesign her umbrella?

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    3. If it works for them and not harming anyone, then we should all respect it.

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    4. you can support husband if you are the one who earns but it doesn't change the fact that men should provide. teach boys of this generation to be a better provided of his future family and not to tolerate them to live like that.
      kaya nauuso e. kaya ganyan mga kabataan akse ganyan mga tinuturo nyong mga nakakatanda. mas maigi pa mga lumaki sa lolo at lola, may sense of responsibility.

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  7. To each his own. Whatever your definition of marriage is, it is what it is and however you make of it.

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  8. To each his own! She's just sharing what works for their family so obviously if it doesn't suit you then just scroll down. No need to make such a fuss and be bothered about her beliefs. She's not harming anyone.

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    1. No one’s bashing her ,everyone’s just voicing out the hole in her logic. As you can see there are people who are against the values patriarchy imposed. If we want to
      live in a world that is truly equal we should fight respectfully for our beliefs.

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    2. 1:09 true! they are just saying that for their household , the woman is the CEO , she may not be the dominant person but she carries the pants.

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    3. small minded 1:09, hoping that your family are living much happier that team kramer.

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    4. no, I think she is also stating her opinion based on her own experience , you are closed minded 2:27 not all families have the same situation. Opinion niya yan.Pantay ang pagtingin sa babae at sa lalaki. Yan ang gusto nya ipaliwanag.

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    5. they are both equal but different function and responsibility. different role but both important. yet it doesn't change the fact that men should provide. teach boys of this generation to be a better provided of his future family and not to tolerate them to live like that.
      kaya nauuso e. kaya ganyan mga kabataan akse ganyan mga tinuturo nyong mga nakakatanda. mas maigi pa mga lumaki sa lolo at lola, may sense of responsibility.

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  9. People nowadays are so hyprocite. They say they believe in God and follow them in their hearts but when there’s a teaching they need to follow, they won’t even listen or worst they’ll say it’s 2017 and words of God should’nt be followed and that it doesn’t exist anymore.

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    1. true bes 12:43. Wag kase itake literally masyado ang Bible. Maraming hidden meanings na maiintindihan mo lang pag sinapuso mo.

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    2. Agree 12:43AM, kaya diyan makikita kung sino talaga tunay na followers ni Christ.

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    3. paniniwala nya, problema na nya yan. Kaya nga may iba ibang religion. Tolerance my dear!

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  10. To all the self-righteous people:
    Leave Cheska Garcia alone and her family alone! It's her IG account, she has all the right to post whatever she wants to post. She's not condemning anyone and all that she stated was from the bible.

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    1. +1000000 12:43, i am a Roman Catholic (Kramers are Born Again Christians) but i understand the illustration and the meaning of it. it is truly how it is designed by God. and hindi yan dahil nasa ilalim ng husband ang wife magiging sunud-sunuran na lang ang wife sa husband palagi and her opinions won’t matter anymore. nakakaloka yung mga nag-comment, mga nakapag-aral pa naman pero masyadong literal ang translation sa picture na pinost ni cheska! my goodness leave her alone! she did not bash nor maligned anyone, so pls stop!

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    2. 12:43am, sila rin, self-righteous kaya. Feeling know-it-all sa Bible kesyo "Christian".

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    3. 1:37 nope that is not "feeling knowing it all" kesyo Christian. Sorry to hear your rant cos i know little about the bible maybe. Cheska is stating what is written in the bible.

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    4. On the contrary, the netizens have all the right to voice out their disagreement to her post because her post is public and she is a public figure. If she doesn't want to get reactions whether positive or negative, then she shouldn't have posted it. After all, when you share a post in social media (not to mention earns from it) and the post especially religion (or politics) is made public, it's open to criticisms. The reactions naman are mostly civil. She's sharing her opinion and they are sharing their opinion on her opinion. All is fair.

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    5. 1:15 true that! if you don't want reactions, post in a private message.

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  11. I see the umbrella as a way of saying that husband protects his family at all cost and a wife protects her child/children at all cost.

    NO offense but I love my son more than his dad.

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  12. this is most definitely not my POV when it comes to marriage.. however if it works for her and her family and they are all happy, I applaud her.

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  13. Obviously these people, I’m referring to Cheska and Miriam, are Jesus freaks. You think like this when your mind is rotted by religion. A woman came from man’s ribs? Seriously, Miriam? Only religitards believe that nonsense. In this age of Science and reason why on earth people still believe this nonsense about an invisible man in the sky is totally beyond me.

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    1. Kanya kanya lang yan.. Kung di ka naniniwala sa Diyos eh ikaw yun.. Wag mong ipilit paniniwala mo sa iba kasi di ka rin naman nila pipilitin maniwala sa kanila.. Respeto na lang kung mas Science over Spirituality ka..

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    2. coz you don't believe anything

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    3. Well there really is a God anon 1:00. I have not seen him but I have felt all his power and blessings through all the trials I have experienced in my 37 years of existence.

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    4. Really now 1:00? Its okay to disagree but to call them names...

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    5. Calling them names cheapens your argument 1:00. LOL.

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    6. Indoctrination. Besides, traditional families have the highest rates of divorce in America. In the Philippines divorce is a taboo, but it is not incorrect to assume a lot of them are unhappy. Ask Manny.

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  14. Tama naman ang pangulo ng lalaking asawa should be Christ ang pangulo ng babaeng asawa ang kanyang asawa.
    So anong hanash ng iba dyan? Dapat talaga matutong magpasakop ang babae sa kanyang asawa. Nasa Bible yan.

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    1. Wtf you just sent feminism decades back

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    2. Anong sinabi ng bible para sa mga lalaking nang abandona ng asawa at anak niya, aber?

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    3. ang sinasabi lang teh, may mga ibang pamilya na ang nanay ang gumaganap na padre de pamilya and it works perfectly too. So kanya kanya yan, you can't say that this formula is so perfect natural iba iba ng sitwasyon ang tao.

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    4. 1:01 ikaw yan teh, sa ibang pamilya hindi ganyan .

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  15. I don't agree with the framework, but it works for Cheska and her family so there's nothing wrong with her abding by it. Plus her husband seems like a genuinely good husband/father which is probably why she follows this framework.

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  16. I do not agree with cheska’s framework. She has taken the bible to literally. While she said that God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, times change. As well as the needs of the families. But of course, its their family. I hope God aint frowning if His plan (according to cheska’s diagram) doesnt work on other families.

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    1. Obey and you will see. 👍

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    2. Mas marunong ka pa kay God Anon 1:03AM??

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    3. iba iba tayo ng God 1:50

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    4. bible nga, iba iba tayo ng version na binabasa 1:50

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  17. some says they can do better than men yet so sensitive about this post, come on people, her point of view is absolutely not the same with yours, Di nya sinabing lahat dapat ganon, madaming single mom, just like mine pero di sya offended sa post. you know why? because she respect others opinion and that's absolutely the good thing all of us can do.

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  18. Mas bothered ako dun sa "Slaves". And goodness, this umbrella thing is just invented by those who interpret the bible the way they want to. Nakakaloka.

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    1. hala sya, nasa Bible nga yang interpretation na yan tapos sasabihin mo gawa lang yan ng tao?

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    2. Exactly! They have taken it too literally.

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    3. 2:07 on this instance, literal. Like a married man should leave his father's house and be with his wife.

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  19. The problem with "Christians" like her and the likes rs of Rica P etc they feel high and mighty and their religion is the more superior one.
    They take the scriptures literally. No room for interpretation.
    The thing is tho the Bible although the word of god was still written by men in different eras with different motifs.

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    1. Guys, at the end of the day, when Jesus comes back, what our opinion or feelings towards God's Word won't matter. Because God will do what He knows is right, He will judge as according to HIS STANDARDS, not us humans. Whether if you believe Him or not, still, it doesn't change the fact about God's Word, that He exist.
      So better read the Bible now, accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and repent before He comes back for the final judgement.

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  20. Kanya kanyang pananaw about marriage eh sa ganun nagwowork ang sa kanila anung paki ng mga nasa labas ng bahay diba!? So respeto na lang din Di naman kayo inaano ng pamilya nila.

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  21. kawawa naman si cheska napagod ng husto kaka explain...buhay nila yan...maayos na pamilya..maayos na mga anak...sino tayo para mag husga...di pwedeng ubra sa atin...ubra din sa kanila and vice versa...

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  22. In Islam, the wife’s role is to be her husband’s equal partner. However, it does not mean they are identical. Both were created by God with unique physiological and psychological attributes. These differences are embraced as vital components to a healthy family and community structure with each individual contributing their own distinctive talents to society.

    PS: In Islam, the only way for you to enter heaven is through your mother who brought you in to this world.

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    1. lol u obviously know nothing about islam. esp sa last part ng sinulat mo :)

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    2. 1:13 i believe that’s beautiful. I’m Catholic but i appreciate the beauty of that belief.

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    3. Me, too 2:08. I'd like to believe our religion allows us to keep our eyes open, too.

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  23. Ganyan din ang framework namin sa bahay and it works for us. Kanya kanya naman yan eh as long as you have a happy and healthy family.

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  24. People might not agree with it pero who are we to judge, clearly works on their family. Go Cheska mema na lang tayo girl.

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  25. Maswerte Lang sila mayaman Kung kagaya ni iba dyan I’m sure hinde ito mag post no ganito

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    1. 1:39 exactly her point. It works for them kaya un ang pinapaniwalaan at sinusunod niya. Un kasi ang reality at sitwasyon nila.

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  26. men has to provide wow ....iba na ang generation ngayon....

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  27. correct, they are not bashers. These people are critical thinkers. They don't buy it wherein the society is patriarchal. God is not classified as a boy or a girl, no gender.

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  28. pananaw din naman nung nagcocomment yun eh, hindi nila gusto pahiyain si Cheska, they are more on equality between men and women. In some families, women are the breadwinners.

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  29. Kanya kanyang belief how you will work your marriage at family,,s kanya ganyan magwork to stay long and happy..iba NGA work nila minsan magkita lng at aso Ang kasama nagwork out..

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  30. I don't really agree with this marriage framework. I was also raised in an old-fashioned and religious family with the same kind of framework. Why can't a man be equal to woman? Will a family crumble if there's no husband? But at the end of the day, this is her belief and if it's working out fine, then good for her. I don't necessarily agree but this is her family, not mine, anyway.

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    1. correct, I am a feminist too and my opinion matter in deciding for my family.

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  31. I admire for standing up to her beliefs despite the whole "it's 2017" norm that we've grown accustomed to these days. It's easy to go with the flow but to actually still stand up for what you believe in despite naysayers is admirable. And I can see that it works for her family. Kudos to the Kramers.

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  32. I think this design, or drawing is not part of the bible. Maybe it is the reader's interpretation. Wala pong drawing na ganyan sa bible. Which is why men and women are created equal, yes there are roles, but the man is definitely not on top of the woman in terms of diagram. She is a helper but she is not a blind follower of her husband. It depends upon one's interpretation, I am also not buying the drawing thingie, we don't see that in our bible.

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    1. Haha maghanap ba naman ng drawing sa bible? Goodluck teh lol

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    2. The umbrella signifies protection and love. That is the way Cheska sees it. It's fine you don't buy it pero wag rin makialam. That's her faith and practise.

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    3. Buti pa si 2:24 naintindihan ang sinasabi nung tao.

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    4. that's her point of view, not mine. kanya kanyang pananaw yan ng tao, diagram nya yan not of the bible.

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  33. hindi sya binabash, nag share lang ng opinion about the drawing ang mga tao na nakakakita nito. In other people's household, it is the woman who brings in the dough, she is not the authority but she is the breadwinner.

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  34. These people who insist and try to interpret Christianity in their own way, wala naman pong diagram na ganito makikita sa Bible, kahit sa anong bible. Walang drawing, siguro ito ang interpretation ng pastor nila.

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    1. true! When you read something from the bible, this drawing doesn't follow.

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  35. so ate what is your interpretation of SAKUPIN , is that to enslave the other person? wala po nyang drawing sa bible. This is not how I interpret the verse. Sorry.

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    1. this is why some of us did not agree with the diagram, it is to Cheska's own interpretation of what she read.

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  36. She started her sentence with the word instructions if you can't see what is wrong with that....... Facepalm

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  37. if you want other people to respect your opinion then you have to respect theirs as well. its not whos right or wrong. everybody is entitled to their own - ganun ka simple.

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  38. If that works for her family, then so be it. I don’t necessarily agree with it, pero kung yun ang nagwwork para sa kanya, I respect that. Ganun naman, basta di nakakasagasa sa iba, respetuhan ng paniniwala.

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  39. It's their framework and it works for them. Did they say it should be your framework too? OA much!

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  40. Dami kuda ng tao. Mga self righteous!

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  41. It works for them so they shouldn’t be judged. I’m sure everyone have a different framework, I do and it works for me. It’s 2017 people, mging open minded nmn sana and the person is just sharing part of her life.

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    1. I think pinagpyestahan ito dahil sa public post.

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  42. Hehe ang kulit ng mga nagmamarunong na netizens. Eh ni-quote lang naman ni Cheska ang Bible. Ano naman masama dun?

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    1. Masama yun when you take the bible as gospel truth and use it to justify wrongdoings.

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    2. 12:56 Huh? Paano naging masama mag sabi ng totoo na nakalagay naman tlga sa bible?

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    3. She applies it to their lives and setup and what wrongdoing did they do? It is very clear from Cheska's response that this is the one that works for their family. If it does not apply to you 12:56 PM please wag makialam. Make your own post.

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    4. 11:32 dahil naka public post teh.Kung private conversation yan natural wala naman magcocomment.

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    5. 3:57 it doesnt mean it is publicly post you have the right to question her belief moreover for some to make fun of it.

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    6. they are not making fun of her belief 6:24 , they are just citing their own opinion. It is actually something to think about if you want an intelligent conversation. Yes it is public, just like what we are posting right now in FP.

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  43. Do you know Lileth. Apparently she is the first wife of Adam. They were created equal from the ashes by God unlike Eve. But the Church has removed her story from the Bible since it contradicts their teachings.

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    1. KYS oh my! Wag ka mag imbento smh

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    2. @Kys Another jewish folklore. Gullible mo naman baks.

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    3. If certain books are forbidden by the powers that be, rest assured they have some truth to them. Just because they are not mainstream, it does not mean they are manufactured stories.

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    4. Pati ba naman biblical characters iniintriga. Kaloka.

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    5. 1:30 But Jesus was hailed as king of the Jews. They are His people. Folklore din ba 'yon?

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  44. The bible is full of symbolism, it should not be taken literally kasi if that's the case, edi dapat pag nagkasala ang mata, you have to gouge your own eyes, etc. even Pop Benedict says not to take the scriptures literally kalurks tong mga Jesus freaks na to.

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    1. 11:57 I'll pray for your soul baks.

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    2. calling certain Christians freaks is so gracious of you

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    3. Calling us Jesus freaks is something uncalled for.

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  45. What bothers me is the use of the word slaves. Servants are not slaves. If they are then they are your prisoner.

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    1. Basahin mo sa tamang konteksto. Binigay na nga nung Cheska o.

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  46. Jusku tong mga to, nakikibasa na lang sila. Inexpress lang naman ni Cheska yung opinion nya in her own space on the web. Yung mga may nakikibasang may opposing view ang nagpipilit ng opinion kay Cheska. Lumugar nga!

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    1. syempre nag post sya publicly kaya nag cite lang din yung mga tao ng opinion nila, just like what you are doing right now.

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  47. Husband and wife are supposed to be partners. One should not be above the other.

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  48. "I'm not your partner, I'm just your wife"

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  49. she is just expressing her opinion.
    I agree with her on the ONE with the biggest umbrella. 🙏🏼

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    1. Thank you sis. But that is not even her opinion. It is how God designed it to be. She is merely the messenger, illustrator. Sabi nga niya she opts to fillow the user’s manual whicj is the Bible.

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  50. Tama naman si Cheska sa post nya eh. Nasa Bible yan at si God nag-design yan. Whether others believe on it or not, or agree with it or not, still, it doesn't change the fact or Truth that's what written in the Bible or God's Word.

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    1. hindi sinabi na mali ang bible verse ni Cheska, pero ang drawing nyan, dyan sila nag react.

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  51. Hmmmm....she still thinks this is the Middle Ages?

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  52. For those who dont understand cheska's post, clearly show that you dont read the bible or dont have a deep understanding of His words. Like what miriam said it is an illustration of God's design of authority in the family, as you can see, umbrellas were used and not arrows. please read the Bible that you may somehow know and understand.

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  53. Husband and wives are equal but they are different. Wag nating gawing pamantayan kung ano ang gusto natin dahil ganyan ang design ng Diyos. Magkaibang role pero parehong importante. Ganun ka simple.

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  54. Marami kasing di nagbabasa ng bible. Sinabi ng diyos na magsubmit ang wife sa husband, not as a slave but bec of her love for Christ. Husband should love the wife too... Walang mali don sa illustration ni Cheska. Kaya maraming naghihiwalay dahil si wife gustong ina ander si mister at si mister naman hindi minamahal si misis, gustong magkaroon ng number two. Kung lahat ng marriage ay mag pa follow dun sa illustration, baka walang broken family ngayon. Hindi archaic ang bible. Perfect ang standard ng bible when it comes to marriage dahil sa diyos mismo nanggaling ang marriage rule na yan.

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  55. wala kasing pakialamanan no! yan paniniwala nia eh bakit kayo namgengealam?

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  56. Maybe nagkulang lang sa explanation. But with doug's statement. This image does not mean submitting yourself like a slave to your husband. For you will never be called wife but.. a slave. So husbands do not expect your wives secondary to you, they have done a lot that you did not even realized have brought you where you are today. Society should never dictate your relationship

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  57. Maybe nagkulang lang sa explanation. But with doug's statement. This image does not mean submitting yourself like a slave to your husband. For you will never be called wife but.. a slave. So husbands do not expect your wives secondary to you, they have done a lot that you did not even realized have brought you where you are today. Society should never dictate your relationship

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