8:07 IS THAT A RECENTLY IMPLEMENTED POLICY? BEFORE THE WAR BROKE OUT, I WAS ALLOWED TO ENTER THE PLANE IN DUBAI GOING TO MADRID. MY VISA WAS ISSUED BY THE DUTCH EMBASSY.
1) For the VISA - what does matter is that your ACTUAL TRIP should still match the basis on which your visa was issued. If for example, France issued your visa but you never go to France - instead spend the trip elsewhere, you may be questioned. If Spain issued your visa, you can still enter Schengen thru France of Germany first, then continue to Spain. That is generally fine. It would seem like Enchong is going to Madrid using a France-issued visa - hence he was questioned by AirFrance. I dont think they threatened to revoke his VISA - because they cant. Maybe they warned him that his VISA can be revoked if he continues to Madrid. 2) AirFrance (or any airline) will be very careful if they believe a passenger can be refused entry at the border control. That is because the airline will have to bear the cost of taking the passenger back.
Ginawa namin iyan. Sinunod namin yung entry point country dapat. Nag-apply kami sa papasukan na bansa at hindi sa longest. Dineny ang Visa namin kasi daw dapat dun sa longest ka mag-stay. Nag-apply pa ulit kami ng Visa. So doble gastos.
I checked Enchong's IG. It seems he likes Spain. May post sya (photo in Spain) na he wants to learn Spanish in 2.5 years so yes, Spain ang final destination nya. There's more to the story na hindi natin alam.
besh, kung hnd ka pa nakasalamuha as in ng medyo matagal sa mga pranses at aleman, gurl, hnd mo magigets si enchong. top tier racists ang mga yan!! 🤣 ang tingin ng mga yan sa asians eh mababa at nag-aasawa ng european para guminhawa ang buhay. pag pinakitaan mo ng european recognition ng pinag-aralan mo, saka lang sila nananahimik. na ah oo, madami din palang asians ang propesyunal at may kaya sa buhay👍
We fly Air France a lot pag umuuwi ng Pinas, economy lang pero so far maganda naman experience namin. So if business class I thought mas special ang passenger? 😅 Did he perhaps get a Schengen Visa issued by France but he will go to Spain instead (because Spain is stricter than France, and some people practice “visa shopping” to work around this situation)? Pero it doesn’t make sense if frequent traveler naman sya (I think he is, kasi artista naman sya and he has the capacity diba…)
1217 I had first-hand experience with how racist some of the FAs of Air France are. Hindi sila verbal pero mararamdaman mo pagka-racist nila. The way they talk to you, how dismissive they are to your needs etc at first you try to ignore because you’d think baka naman mali ako. BUT if repetitive na ang action (or inaction), ako pa ba mali? So I understand Enchong and I am fully on his side
2:12 granted totoo yang sinasabi mo. Still that is not an excuse to be rude or maltreat someone. No one has the right to degrade you or disrespect you lalo na costumer ka nila, pasahero ka nila. technically galing sa binayad mo ang kinikita at kinakain nila. Wag nating gawing ugali mag discriminate o mang mata ng kapwa. Ah siguro kumabit lang ito sa kano pwede ko siyang sagutin ng pabalang. Ganon? Ganon po ba? Nag FA ka ba para sa mga mayayaman at mataas na pinagaralan lang? Eh kung sabihin kung serbedora lang FA sa ere nga lang gusto ba nila yon? Wag tayo mayabang sa mundo. Pare pareho tayong tao na may damdamin at may karapatan mabuhay. If u cnt be nice at least be professional.
2.07 i hope one day you get discriminated because of your race so you dont have to come here and ask dum8 questions.or you havent travelled or been to any western country you dont know what its like. There are silent racism that exists too. The worst part is you second guess yourself whether you did something wrong or you are lacking hence the treatment.
@2:12 talaga ba? Kawawa k nmn at mukhang ang babaw ng mga kakilala mo. Imagine considered accomplishment pala makapag asawa ng foreigner that’s news to me. At base sa experience ko may pagka racist nga ang mga french sa asians or baka nmn ganun lng talaga sila unlike sa atin na friendly at helpful sa lahat.
@2:12 i can tell insecure ka lang. Inunahan mo n sila na racist alam mo ba yun? Kasi ikaw pala ang racist. I’ve been using their airlines tagal na! Kilala ko na FA nila!!!! Basta act natural! Wag maging insecure racist!
Air France sucks! They lost my luggage in Paris and it took them 7 days to locate it. Had to buy new luggage, clothes, etc. while on vacation. They did not even pay me back. Do not fly with Air France!!!
12:34 insurance is useless. UA lost my luggage, filed a claim through the insurance. Walang nangyare. Kasi siguro UA found the luggage after a few days. But still, they should still have compensated.
Serious question: if luggage was found but it took a few days , wouldn't insurance at least compensate partially for those days when u had to spend to buy clothes etc during the days when luggage was still lost?.
I had insurance and we were able to claim when we got back from the trip but it was not enough to cover all the things I had to buy while my luggage went missing. More than the money, imagine the stress I had to endure! Instead of enjoying my 2 week vacation, it became so stressful waiting for news about my luggage. Air France ruined my vacation and I will never fly with them again. They don’t treat their passenger right.
You have a Schengen visa yes but your entry should be France and not Madrid.so they are correct to offload you.saan ang racism dyan eh Ikaw ang Mali sa port of entry mo.you should generally enter through the country that issued your visa.
Excuse me.know the rules of Schengen visa before kuda.France ang visa niya which is he applied for Schengen via France.by Schengen law he has to enter France before he travel to other Schengen countries.basic mathematics lang yan nag rant agad.racism na pala ang Mali ang port of entry.
You don’t necessarily have to enter the issuing country first. You can have a Schengen Visa issued by France but you will enter the Schengen zone through Madrid, that’s fine, pero your longest stay in the Schengen should be the issuing country (in this case, France). Kung baga, respeto naman sa country na nag-grant ng visa mo, diba. It’s called delicadeza. Kung wala palang intent pumunta sa France, eh di sa Spain dapat kumuha ng visa. #visashopping
Former airline staff here (European airline). I'm not invalidating Enchong's experience, and I'm trying to understand what happened.
Possible scenario: AF roundtrip ticket BKK/xCDG/stop MAD/stop CDG/BKK
1. Outbound BKK/xCDG/MAD He was questioned due to via CDG and destination MAD. He should have gotten a Schengen visa from the BLS Visa (official service provider of the Consulate General of Spain).
2. The AF BKK ground staff cannot revoke his Schengen visa. I wonder what exactly happened here.
3. New ticket BKK to London - on which airline? Then London to Paris - on which airline? Or Eurostar train? No additional info here.
4. Online check-in AF MAD/xCDG/BKK Didn't he say he was in Paris already - point#3? There are 2 flights involved: AF MADCDG AF CDGBKK Did he skip MADCDG and was able to online check-in CDGBKK? That must have been the reason "they blocked his ticket" - assuming he didn't utilize aka NoShow on his MADCDG ticket coupon, then onward flight CDGBKK is automatically cancelled. Need more info here.
Skip to 8. The French are not warm people, unlike other European nationalities.
At lalo yan feeling validated ang belief nilang yan kasi kapag andito sila, parang "starstruck" mga tao kung treat sila which is actually just our natural way of being hospitable.Well..Even towards the Americans these, French and British people exude superiority complex.
10:59 Not a belief but that's actually part of their culture and upbringing. And also, I read this from a French person perspective: "If everyone thinks we feel superior, maybe it's because they've seen for themselves that we are."
@3:54 That statement is classic hypocrisy. We see truth because we’re not blind. It’s a poor excuse to not change rude behavior because it’s “part of your upbringing.” It’s like saying, to be racist is part of my upbringing and if you think I am racist then maybe it’s because you are. That is why we are humans with intelligence, we are able to recognize and change.
1:19 totoo lol. may officemate kaming french dati. omg ung damit nya parang ilang araw na nyang suot, at parang pinangpasok na nya,pinangtulog at pinangpasok nya ulit. ang ganda ganda pa man din nya,pero may pagkadugyot lol
Omg same!! May classmate ako French here sa Japan sa language school. And sa dorm sya ng school nakatira. Imagine summer un tapos same jersey ung suot nya everyday? At Grabe sakit talaga sa ilong. And totoo na arrogant sila. Imagine nag apply sya part-time jobs in one month 4 lahat tig 1 or 2 days lang sya tumatagal. May hindi sya nakuha sa interview palang, pina refund Nya sa company yung transpo and time nya naloka ako! Inaway nya talaga haha
actually racist ang france in terms of schengen visa. mas malaki chance mo ma deny pag france. Bottomline racist talaga sila. they categorized visiting sa bansa nila
mahigpit yata sila dahil sa mataas over staying sa bansa nila most likely from south asia.
kung gusto nyo ma accept sa schengen visa go for greece and balkan countries tapos back packing ka na lang whole europe
I think it depends on your profile. I got my SV via france and they gave me a one year ME. May friends din ako who usually get via france kasi mas maluwag sila magbigay compared sa ibang EU countries.
Ask ko lang more than 3x talaga dapat mag EU in 2 years before ka mabgyan ng ME? Kc my son is going to study in EU this summer na. Imagine planning to apply ME but 3rd time k palang sakali.
Ha ha... looks like the pot is calling the kettle black :D :D :D Penoys are racists too ;) ;) ;) Just think of the names you made up for your AFAM friends :) :) :) There's nognog, bantot, hairy, etc... :D :D :D
people commenting racist are actually the ones who are racist paano mo naman nasabi na French national agad ang nag offload just because airfrance? He specifically said ground staff in Bangkok. Hindi ba pwede Thai sila or Asian or another nationality? kaloka also naamoy mo ba? gineralize na lahat na stinky it’s like saying since maraming magnanakaw na politicians sa Pilipinas mag nanakaw na lahat ng Pilipino or since from middle east may possibility na terrorist sila. It is normal na question ka if ang visa san ka nag apply is different from your point of entry. Just because you booked business class doesnt exempt you from the rules. sumunod ka sa rules wala ka magiging problem ganun ka simple.
Ummm. There is a reason why a lot of people say the French are racist. It’s common for them to be rude and snotty, especially to anyone who is non-French.
2:31. Pag ground staff ng isang airline company, usually, nationality yon ng designated airline company na based sa country. He has Air France ticket, so most probably french ang nationality ng ground staff na naka base lang sa BKK.
Flew Airfrance before and I must agree with Enchong. Worst. They even lost one of our luggage from Nice to Paris. Food was so bad and FAs couldn't care less. I thought worst na ang PAL experience ko ng MNL to LAx pero after mas haggard pala Airfrance.
257 true but there’s probably more to it. weve only heard one side of the story. i find it strange that the ground crew will offload him just because they want to powertrip reason esp when he’s flying business class theyre not that stupid to risk potential lawsuits. if theyre bored and they couldve targetted the economy class passengers not the business. ill take his version of the story with a grain of salt something just doesnt add up in my opinion
629 ive been to europe MULTIPLE times. If you already have an active multiple entry visa, you dont need to apply again. So di pwedeng mag apply ulit pag active pa nga Schengen mo. Sus. I personally experienced that MULTIPLE times. So possible na may active visa pa si enchong (also in UK) since artista at mayaman naman sya , or nag change travel plans. Either reason, pag may Schengen ka na walang issue dapat to kase kahit pumunta pa sya sa French embassy itataboy lang sya dahil active pa nga visa. Gets na? Well if the ground staff were not power tripping , then maybe ignorant din sila like...(cough)
French people are arrogant. Bagay sila ng mga Quebecois, who are their relatives anyway. Don't take it personally unless nagbayad ka ng malaki. Then you show some sass.
There are holes to your story. Flying in to London to circumvent your issue most definitely created further issues with your ticket. Exactly wag sisihin ang sistema. Air France employees were only doing their job because kung may issue sa visa mo when you land, airlines are monetarily penalized. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse and do not use the race card if the rules dont work in your favor.
Off topic lang..had dinner alone sa Paris dati. Hindi naman racism at all pero very weird vibe lang na parang di ka nila bet sa resto. The place has an Asian couple, white female diner na mag isa din etc etc. I just noticed lang na chika ang mga server sa lahat except sa akin. I ordered food and all a. Basta may something! Ang conclusion ko is maybe lalaki ako na mag isa kaya no need effortan.
Medyo hindi sila warm agad. But when you speak a little bit of their language, may onting gaan na hehe. Sa Switzerland and naman ako natarayan. I asked lang kung ano order nung solo diner sa tabi namin tapos ang sagot sa akin tipong yan lang balak niyo na order? So sabi ko talaga no, kaya nga tinatanong ko kasi I'd be ordering other complementary dishes. Anyway hehe...
2:53 2:56 hindi naman ako natarayan pero basta may kakaibang vibe. Like kung hindi ako nagbayad nung kinain ko baka makakalusot kasi ganun sila ka walang pakialam sa akin. Parang invisible ako. I ate din alone sa ibang resto while im there pero normal lang.
2:53 Agree. I've only been to Paris, and this is based on my experience. Pag papasok ako ng establishment (cafe, restaurant, pharmacie, etc) and sasakay ng taxi - I greet them with basic French greetings, even if mali pronounciation ko. They appreciate the effort. I didn't experience any racism from the Parisians.
I guess Europeans in general are straightforward. Us Filipinos/Asians are warm and friendly, so when we are in a straightforward culture we feel slighted na para bang "suplada nito ah", ganon 🙂
Possible reasons: 1. “Main destination” rule Kapag nag-apply ka ng Schengen visa, kailangan mo sabihin kung saan country ka pinaka-magtatagal. Kung ang visa mo ay galing France, ibig sabihin: 👉 France ang declared main destination mo Kung diretso kang pupunta sa Spain (Madrid) at walang malinaw na plano pumunta sa France, red flag ‘yun sa immigration. 2. First point of entry expectation (minsan) Hindi always required, pero kung France ang nag-issue ng visa, kadalasan inaasahan na: 👉 Doon ka unang papasok OR may valid explanation kung bakit hindi 3. Suspicion of “visa shopping” Kapag mukhang ginamit lang ang France para makakuha ng visa pero ibang country talaga ang pupuntahan, puwedeng isipin na: 👉 Nilabag ang visa intent Dahil dito, puwedeng ma-offload (di payagang bumiyahe).
Bottom line Oo, border-free ang travel within Schengen once nasa loob ka na. Pero ang issue ay bago ka pa makapasok—sa airport pa lang ng departure country, tine-check na kung tugma ang visa mo sa plano mong biyahe.
Yes. Some people do abuse the system. At sa taas ng pinoy tnt sa Spain naghihigpit talaga sila pag Philippine passport holder ka. Kaya yung iba apply ng visa sa ibang schengen country
First, walang right yung airlines na magrevoke ng Schengen Visa, it is done by the embassy of the Schengen State. If Madrid destination niya pwede niya iargue na mag France siya ng matagal and this is done kapag nainterview na siya ng IO sa Madrid.
Second, bakit pa siya magflfly ng London kung ang issue lang naman is need niya dumaan ng Paris eh ang AirFrance is derecho naman Paris.
Third, nagpost siya ng pictures niya sa London so mahabang layover ang nangyari. Kung nagfly siya via Airfrance ano yun naging Manila to Paris, Paris to London tapos London to Paris ulit?
We flew couple of times with Air France kaya I can attest na an service nila ay So So Minsan ok Minsan Hindi. There was even one time that they totally forgot to give my son food (he was still a toddler at that time) binabaonan ko kc an anak ko ng food and some toys everytime bumabyahe kami and Kun type nya Yun food ko eh sinusubuan ko din xa cguro dahil din sa pagod/puyat that I only realized paguwi namin ng Bahay na Hindi xa nabigyan ng pagkain nor any toy/form of entertainment for kids on board 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ atska they are really racist Lalo na Kun Hindi ka White or don't speak French most esp Yun mga older crew nila Yan an napansin ko tapos they expect everyone speaks French Buti na lang xempre kasama ko c hubby everytime. Ibang iba talaga sa SQ alagang alaga ka from the moment you step in kaya Enchong next time don't fly European carriers they are not nice. Mag Asian or Middle eastern carriers ka like SQ, JAL, Korean air, Qatar Airways or Emirates pero for me SQ talaga the best Lalo na for long haul flights 👍🏻
First of all bago ka pa mag apply ng Schengen, hahanapin na ang plane tickets mo. So bakit sya nabigyan sa French embassy if ang pinakita nyang air tickets ay Madrid? Malabo ang kwento. I dont believe na racist sila sa Business class, been flying with them on Business class wala naman ganyang kaganapan, unless ikwento ni accla ang buong kwento why Spain ang punta tapos galing sa French embassy ang visa, nag change route ba sya at di sinunod kung ano ang mga sinubmit nya sa embassy? Noone knows
Pwede kasing previously-issued VISA na ito. France is known to issue multi-year and mulitple entry Schengen visa. So pwedeng nagamit na nya before - and since valid pa, he is using it to travel to Madrid, Spain. At dun ang problema - i think! I believe he was being questioned in Bangkok why he is travelling to Spain using a visa issued by France. It is true na open-border ang EU, pero when it comes to the uniform Schengen visa, it will look suspicious if your trip does not match the basis on which the visa was issued (i.e. France travel).
8:50PM - kaso airline ang sumita sa kanya sa Bangkok. Airlines kasi ay may duty to make sure you have the required travel documents. It is true that sometimes they can be over-cautious - but this is because they possibly could face penalties if the passenger is denied entry in the country of destination. I am sure binigyan sya ng reason why they refused to board him. In my personal experience, I have an indian colleague offloaded from our Emirates flight in Dubai airport (nakasakay na kami sa eroplano) kasi they asked for a visa for SaoPaolo Brazil even if we were only transiting and rule says no visa is needed for transit. After he was disallowed, they validated this at the Dubai airport and he was allowed to fly the next day without the visa. That is how strict they are. But I wont go as far as calling them racist.
Wala sya namention bakit France sya kumuha visa pero nsa Madrid sya, di nya nilinaw san longest stay nya. Palagi ako sa France kumukuha ng Schengen Visa kasi mabilis at straight to the point ang requirements unlike sa Italy na pati train tickets hahanapin sayo eh mostly ang train tix cant be cancelled if u change your plans.Actually di na nila ako tinatanong once I entered Schengen countries. Baka nag attitude kaya napagtripan ng airlines, ok naman for me ang AirFrance no racism na experience sa knila, mabait ang mga staff sa business class from lounge to plane, lagi nga lang delayed flights sila
Saan ba ang final destination nya? Kung anong bansa ang final destination mo, dun ka mag-apply ng Schengen Visa. Sa post nya, mukhang France ang nag-issue ng Schengen nya pero Madrid ang destination nya. I-block talaga sya. Kung Madrid punta nya, Spain dapat nag-issue ng Schengen nya. Na-block din sya sa London because England is not part of Schengen. He needs to have a separate visa for that.
He should have checked all the visas he needed before travelling and the rules of Schengen.🙄
No comment on racism. Every country has a fair share on that.
I think Airfrance raised a valid concern because he is going to go to Madrid but he has a France-issued Schengen visa. Ito yung root-cause - and not because they are racist. Pwede siguro racist yan kung out of the blue, bigla syang pinagdiskitahan.
Sorry sa mga may mga asawa taga France ha pero isa sila sa mga pinaka dominante tao, tingin nila esp sa mga Asians mababa- wala sila pake - bastos din sila. Totoo yan. Even Italians hates them ayaw nila mga tao taga France. Mayayabang daw kasi. Mayabang na nga……..mas mabango pa aspin sa kanila. Totoo yan! Yes, they are racist. I swear nanahimik na mga yan If lumaban ka at wala na sila masagot sayo kasi alam nila nagkamali sila at sila yung tipo tao hinde aamin ng pagakakamali.ayaw nila napapahiya sila. This is base pag dating nakipag business ka sa kanila totoo yan
France is no longer the France it used to be. Their government is been collapsing. But his claim french are racist, its just his own personal feeling. These days people always throw racist card to just about anything. They become soft to just about any words they hear or actions towards them. There are people who are racist, that for sure but you need to toughen out when you're outside of your own comfort zone. The world don't revolves around you to caters your needs as you always expected it to be. If he really seriously thought that the airlines treated him unjustly he can always file a complaint against it. Or learn a thing or two on how to respond to someone discriminating you right then and there. But who cares with the workers who you might think discriminating you anyway? At the end of the day, they are just sitting there working for you to attend to your needs right?! And after the flight you get up and do your thing while they'll be still on the same spot tending to the next customers. Give them some slacks for the next person to offend;)
Sa panahon ngayon na mahigpit ang borders sa Europe. Doon ka magspend muna sa iyong issuing embassy. Okay Enchong?! Inform yourself first bago pa magpa alam kuno na meronng Multi entry visa. Ayan tuloy napagastos kana, nadiscriminate kuno kapa.
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hirap din yun ah nakakastress
ReplyDeleteGrabe, pwede dapat yun! Pag Schengen, yung issuing visa could be: Your point of entry OR country you're staying at the longest.
DeleteEnchong could be staying in Paris the longest kaya yun yung visa nya kahit Madrid entry point nya.
True. Pano nalang kung mahirap ka at walang pambili ng tickets kaloka
DeleteNo po, kung ano nsa visa nya yun dapat ang entry point nya kaya nga naka mention yun sa visa. Period.
Delete8:07 Google is free. Also, yun yung process when I went to Europe.
DeleteIn fact, mas priority pa nga yung longest stay vs. entry point.
8:07 IS THAT A RECENTLY IMPLEMENTED POLICY? BEFORE THE WAR BROKE OUT, I WAS ALLOWED TO ENTER THE PLANE IN DUBAI GOING TO MADRID. MY VISA WAS ISSUED BY THE DUTCH EMBASSY.
Delete1) For the VISA - what does matter is that your ACTUAL TRIP should still match the basis on which your visa was issued. If for example, France issued your visa but you never go to France - instead spend the trip elsewhere, you may be questioned. If Spain issued your visa, you can still enter Schengen thru France of Germany first, then continue to Spain. That is generally fine. It would seem like Enchong is going to Madrid using a France-issued visa - hence he was questioned by AirFrance. I dont think they threatened to revoke his VISA - because they cant. Maybe they warned him that his VISA can be revoked if he continues to Madrid.
Delete2) AirFrance (or any airline) will be very careful if they believe a passenger can be refused entry at the border control. That is because the airline will have to bear the cost of taking the passenger back.
Ginawa namin iyan. Sinunod namin yung entry point country dapat. Nag-apply kami sa papasukan na bansa at hindi sa longest. Dineny ang Visa namin kasi daw dapat dun sa longest ka mag-stay. Nag-apply pa ulit kami ng Visa. So doble gastos.
DeleteI checked Enchong's IG. It seems he likes Spain. May post sya (photo in Spain) na he wants to learn Spanish in 2.5 years so yes, Spain ang final destination nya. There's more to the story na hindi natin alam.
DeleteBusiness class in Air France felt racist since you are the only Asian there? Pls justify how are they racist towards you?
ReplyDeleteAirline services start from the check in counters. Go figure!
DeleteTeh ni narrate na nga nya. Kulang pa para ma comprehend?
Deletebesh, kung hnd ka pa nakasalamuha as in ng medyo matagal sa mga pranses at aleman, gurl, hnd mo magigets si enchong. top tier racists ang mga yan!! 🤣 ang tingin ng mga yan sa asians eh mababa at nag-aasawa ng european para guminhawa ang buhay. pag pinakitaan mo ng european recognition ng pinag-aralan mo, saka lang sila nananahimik. na ah oo, madami din palang asians ang propesyunal at may kaya sa buhay👍
DeleteWe fly Air France a lot pag umuuwi ng Pinas, economy lang pero so far maganda naman experience namin. So if business class I thought mas special ang passenger? 😅 Did he perhaps get a Schengen Visa issued by France but he will go to Spain instead (because Spain is stricter than France, and some people practice “visa shopping” to work around this situation)? Pero it doesn’t make sense if frequent traveler naman sya (I think he is, kasi artista naman sya and he has the capacity diba…)
DeleteIto din. Wag kasi gamitin ang race card pwerke insecure ka na ikaw lang ang asian. Give factual proof koyah!
Delete1207 Hina ng comprehension mo
Delete1217 I had first-hand experience with how racist some of the FAs of Air France are. Hindi sila verbal pero mararamdaman mo pagka-racist nila. The way they talk to you, how dismissive they are to your needs etc at first you try to ignore because you’d think baka naman mali ako. BUT if repetitive na ang action (or inaction), ako pa ba mali? So
DeleteI understand Enchong and I am fully on his side
May katotohanan naman talaga na biggest accomplishments ng pinay magAsawa ng foreigner, no wonder may stigma
Delete2:12 feeling mo lang yan. Humanap ka rin ng jowanh foreigner para mabawasan yang pagkabitter mo. Lol, Pinoy nman tong asawa ko.
Delete2:12 granted totoo yang sinasabi mo. Still that is not an excuse to be rude or maltreat someone. No one has the right to degrade you or disrespect you lalo na costumer ka nila, pasahero ka nila. technically galing sa binayad mo ang kinikita at kinakain nila. Wag nating gawing ugali mag discriminate o mang mata ng kapwa. Ah siguro kumabit lang ito sa kano pwede ko siyang sagutin ng pabalang. Ganon? Ganon po ba? Nag FA ka ba para sa mga mayayaman at mataas na pinagaralan lang? Eh kung sabihin kung serbedora lang FA sa ere nga lang gusto ba nila yon? Wag tayo mayabang sa mundo. Pare pareho tayong tao na may damdamin at may karapatan mabuhay. If u cnt be nice at least be professional.
Delete2.07 i hope one day you get discriminated because of your race so you dont have to come here and ask dum8 questions.or you havent travelled or been to any western country you dont know what its like. There are silent racism that exists too. The worst part is you second guess yourself whether you did something wrong or you are lacking hence the treatment.
Delete@2:12 talaga ba? Kawawa k nmn at mukhang ang babaw ng mga kakilala mo. Imagine considered accomplishment pala makapag asawa ng foreigner that’s news to me. At base sa experience ko may pagka racist nga ang mga french sa asians or baka nmn ganun lng talaga sila unlike sa atin na friendly at helpful sa lahat.
DeleteFrench people are well known for their snotty attitude. I would not be surprised that he felt they were racist because they most often are.
DeleteBaka ksi feel nya sikat pa rin sya doon.
Delete@2:12 i can tell insecure ka lang. Inunahan mo n sila na racist alam mo ba yun? Kasi ikaw pala ang racist. I’ve been using their airlines tagal na! Kilala ko na FA nila!!!! Basta act natural! Wag maging insecure racist!
DeleteAir France sucks! They lost my luggage in Paris and it took them 7 days to locate it. Had to buy new luggage, clothes, etc. while on vacation. They did not even pay me back. Do not fly with Air France!!!
ReplyDeleteIm gonna fly next month with them, are they strict wirh carry on sizes?
DeleteI'm sorry it happened to you. Happened to me before (not Air France though) that's why it's important to have travel insurance.
Delete12:34 insurance is useless. UA lost my luggage, filed a claim through the insurance. Walang nangyare. Kasi siguro UA found the luggage after a few days. But still, they should still have compensated.
Delete1:38 Insurance is not always useless, ex: in case of medical emergency. Like you said, UA found your luggage so they didn't reimburse.
DeleteSerious question: if luggage was found but it took a few days , wouldn't insurance at least compensate partially for those days when u had to spend to buy clothes etc during the days when luggage was still lost?.
DeleteI had insurance and we were able to claim when we got back from the trip but it was not enough to cover all the things I had to buy while my luggage went missing. More than the money, imagine the stress I had to endure! Instead of enjoying my 2 week vacation, it became so stressful waiting for news about my luggage. Air France ruined my vacation and I will never fly with them again. They don’t treat their passenger right.
DeleteSchengen rules, you abide tourist .
ReplyDeleteYou have a Schengen visa yes but your entry should be France and not Madrid.so they are correct to offload you.saan ang racism dyan eh Ikaw ang Mali sa port of entry mo.you should generally enter through the country that issued your visa.
ReplyDeletegirl hindi yun ganun wag magmatu if dipa nagkaschengen visa
DeleteYou obviously don’t know how the Schengen visa works. Air France was wrong to deny him boarding for his trip to Madrid.
DeleteExcuse me.know the rules of Schengen visa before kuda.France ang visa niya which is he applied for Schengen via France.by Schengen law he has to enter France before he travel to other Schengen countries.basic mathematics lang yan nag rant agad.racism na pala ang Mali ang port of entry.
Delete12:44 Germany ang nag issue saken pero Italy ang entry point ko at okay lang naman
DeleteYou’re incorrect. My issuing schengen visa is Norway. My entry point is france. I didn’t get offloaded or blocked.
DeleteYou don’t necessarily have to enter the issuing country first. You can have a Schengen Visa issued by France but you will enter the Schengen zone through Madrid, that’s fine, pero your longest stay in the Schengen should be the issuing country (in this case, France). Kung baga, respeto naman sa country na nag-grant ng visa mo, diba. It’s called delicadeza. Kung wala palang intent pumunta sa France, eh di sa Spain dapat kumuha ng visa. #visashopping
DeleteDUTCH EMBASSY ISSUED MY VISA BUT I WAS ALLOWED TO BOARD MY PLANE IN DUBAI TO GO TO MADRID.
Delete6:25PM - thank your lucky stars! hahaha. but this is not always the case.
DeleteFormer airline staff here (European airline). I'm not invalidating Enchong's experience, and I'm trying to understand what happened.
ReplyDeletePossible scenario: AF roundtrip ticket
BKK/xCDG/stop MAD/stop CDG/BKK
1. Outbound BKK/xCDG/MAD
He was questioned due to via CDG and destination MAD. He should have gotten a Schengen visa from the BLS Visa (official service provider of the Consulate General of Spain).
2. The AF BKK ground staff cannot revoke his Schengen visa. I wonder what exactly happened here.
3. New ticket BKK to London - on which airline? Then London to Paris - on which airline? Or Eurostar train? No additional info here.
4. Online check-in AF MAD/xCDG/BKK
Didn't he say he was in Paris already - point#3?
There are 2 flights involved:
AF MADCDG
AF CDGBKK
Did he skip MADCDG and was able to online check-in CDGBKK? That must have been the reason "they blocked his ticket" - assuming he didn't utilize aka NoShow on his MADCDG ticket coupon, then onward flight CDGBKK is automatically cancelled. Need more info here.
Skip to 8. The French are not warm people, unlike other European nationalities.
Agree to your possible scenarios.
DeleteAlso (London) UK is not in the shengen area. Unless may UK visa din sya.
Delete1:58 Good point. Another possibility is he probably bought a British Airways ticket BKK/xLHR/CDG, transit LHR, so he doesn't need a UK visa.
DeleteAnd, as you have mentioned… French people have the worst and most rude attitude among Europeans.
DeleteNope.The Austrians.
DeleteTry Hungarians. Grrrrrrrr
DeleteI agree that Air france (or Most French People) are actually racist.. They really suck..
ReplyDeleteThey are so arrogant yet they stink!
DeleteTHIS!!! Somehow they have this belief that they are better than other people.
DeleteAt lalo yan feeling validated ang belief nilang yan kasi kapag andito sila, parang "starstruck" mga tao kung treat sila which is actually just our natural way of being hospitable.Well..Even towards the Americans these, French and British people exude superiority complex.
Delete10:59 Not a belief but that's actually part of their culture and upbringing. And also, I read this from a French person perspective: "If everyone thinks we feel superior, maybe it's because they've seen for themselves that we are."
Delete@3:54 That statement is classic hypocrisy. We see truth because we’re not blind. It’s a poor excuse to not change rude behavior because it’s “part of your upbringing.” It’s like saying, to be racist is part of my upbringing and if you think I am racist then maybe it’s because you are. That is why we are humans with intelligence, we are able to recognize and change.
Delete1:19 totoo lol. may officemate kaming french dati. omg ung damit nya parang ilang araw na nyang suot, at parang pinangpasok na nya,pinangtulog at pinangpasok nya ulit. ang ganda ganda pa man din nya,pero may pagkadugyot lol
DeleteOmg same!! May classmate ako French here sa Japan sa language school. And sa dorm sya ng school nakatira. Imagine summer un tapos same jersey ung suot nya everyday? At Grabe sakit talaga sa ilong. And totoo na arrogant sila. Imagine nag apply sya part-time jobs in one month 4 lahat tig 1 or 2 days lang sya tumatagal. May hindi sya nakuha sa interview palang, pina refund Nya sa company yung transpo and time nya naloka ako! Inaway nya talaga haha
Deleteactually racist ang france in terms of schengen visa. mas malaki chance mo ma deny pag france. Bottomline racist talaga sila. they categorized visiting sa bansa nila
ReplyDeletemahigpit yata sila dahil sa mataas over staying sa bansa nila most likely from south asia.
kung gusto nyo ma accept sa schengen visa go for greece and balkan countries tapos back packing ka na lang whole europe
Thanks for sharing this, though I've read in travel forums na Spain and Italy are more strict daw due to overstaying Pinoys.
DeleteI think it depends on your profile. I got my SV via france and they gave me a one year ME. May friends din ako who usually get via france kasi mas maluwag sila magbigay compared sa ibang EU countries.
DeleteAsk ko lang more than 3x talaga dapat mag EU in 2 years before ka mabgyan ng ME? Kc my son is going to study in EU this summer na. Imagine planning to apply ME but 3rd time k palang sakali.
DeleteHa ha... looks like the pot is calling the kettle black :D :D :D Penoys are racists too ;) ;) ;) Just think of the names you made up for your AFAM friends :) :) :) There's nognog, bantot, hairy, etc... :D :D :D
ReplyDeletepeople commenting racist are actually the ones who are racist paano mo naman nasabi na French national agad ang nag offload just because airfrance? He specifically said ground staff in Bangkok. Hindi ba pwede Thai sila or Asian or another nationality? kaloka also naamoy mo ba? gineralize na lahat na stinky it’s like saying since maraming magnanakaw na politicians sa Pilipinas mag nanakaw na lahat ng Pilipino or since from middle east may possibility na terrorist sila. It is normal na question ka if ang visa san ka nag apply is different from your point of entry. Just because you booked business class doesnt exempt you from the rules. sumunod ka sa rules wala ka magiging problem ganun ka simple.
ReplyDeleteUmmm. There is a reason why a lot of people say the French are racist. It’s common for them to be rude and snotty, especially to anyone who is non-French.
Delete2:31. Pag ground staff ng isang airline company, usually, nationality yon ng designated airline company na based sa country. He has Air France ticket, so most probably french ang nationality ng ground staff na naka base lang sa BKK.
DeleteUsually, but nit always, yes 8:15
DeletePAL ground crew in Changi, Suvarnabhumi, and Taoyuan airports are all locals of their country (we traveled to these countries in the last 6 months)
Flew Airfrance before and I must agree with Enchong. Worst. They even lost one of our luggage from Nice to Paris. Food was so bad and FAs couldn't care less. I thought worst na ang PAL experience ko ng MNL to LAx pero after mas haggard pala Airfrance.
ReplyDeleteNo such thing as not letting you board because your destination is not the country that issued your visa. Ground stafff were just power tripping
ReplyDeleteAgree
Delete257 true but there’s probably more to it. weve only heard one side of the story. i find it strange that the ground crew will offload him just because they want to powertrip reason esp when he’s flying business class theyre not that stupid to risk potential lawsuits. if theyre bored and they couldve targetted the economy class passengers not the business. ill take his version of the story with a grain of salt something just doesnt add up in my opinion
Delete257, please check the rules for Schengen visa bago mo sabihing power tripping ang ground crew.
Delete629 ive been to europe MULTIPLE times. If you already have an active multiple entry visa, you dont need to apply again. So di pwedeng mag apply ulit pag active pa nga Schengen mo. Sus. I personally experienced that MULTIPLE times. So possible na may active visa pa si enchong (also in UK) since artista at mayaman naman sya , or nag change travel plans. Either reason, pag may Schengen ka na walang issue dapat to kase kahit pumunta pa sya sa French embassy itataboy lang sya dahil active pa nga visa. Gets na? Well if the ground staff were not power tripping , then maybe ignorant din sila like...(cough)
DeleteSana putaktihin ang France ng immigrants magdusa yang mga french fries na yan hahaha
ReplyDeleteFrench and Germans are definitely racist
ReplyDeletePinoys are also racist.
DeleteAll nationalities are racist.
DeleteAll aliens are racist
DeleteWell sa tagal ko sa Germany, agree naman ako dito na racist sila. And yessss may racist din sa Pinas. Pero winner pa din ang Germans!
Delete10:53 yup, try working with them. 😂
DeleteFrench people are arrogant. Bagay sila ng mga Quebecois, who are their relatives anyway. Don't take it personally unless nagbayad ka ng malaki. Then you show some sass.
ReplyDeleteThere are holes to your story. Flying in to London to circumvent your issue most definitely created further issues with your ticket. Exactly wag sisihin ang sistema. Air France employees were only doing their job because kung may issue sa visa mo when you land, airlines are monetarily penalized. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse and do not use the race card if the rules dont work in your favor.
ReplyDeleteOff topic lang..had dinner alone sa Paris dati. Hindi naman racism at all pero very weird vibe lang na parang di ka nila bet sa resto. The place has an Asian couple, white female diner na mag isa din etc etc. I just noticed lang na chika ang mga server sa lahat except sa akin. I ordered food and all a. Basta may something! Ang conclusion ko is maybe lalaki ako na mag isa kaya no need effortan.
ReplyDeleteMedyo hindi sila warm agad. But when you speak a little bit of their language, may onting gaan na hehe. Sa Switzerland and naman ako natarayan. I asked lang kung ano order nung solo diner sa tabi namin tapos ang sagot sa akin tipong yan lang balak niyo na order? So sabi ko talaga no, kaya nga tinatanong ko kasi I'd be ordering other complementary dishes. Anyway hehe...
DeleteI mean sa isang restaurant naman ako natarayan sa Switzerland..
Delete2:53 2:56 hindi naman ako natarayan pero basta may kakaibang vibe. Like kung hindi ako nagbayad nung kinain ko baka makakalusot kasi ganun sila ka walang pakialam sa akin. Parang invisible ako. I ate din alone sa ibang resto while im there pero normal lang.
Delete2:53 Agree. I've only been to Paris, and this is based on my experience. Pag papasok ako ng establishment (cafe, restaurant, pharmacie, etc) and sasakay ng taxi - I greet them with basic French greetings, even if mali pronounciation ko. They appreciate the effort. I didn't experience any racism from the Parisians.
DeleteI guess Europeans in general are straightforward. Us Filipinos/Asians are warm and friendly, so when we are in a straightforward culture we feel slighted na para bang "suplada nito ah", ganon 🙂
Possible reasons:
ReplyDelete1. “Main destination” rule
Kapag nag-apply ka ng Schengen visa, kailangan mo sabihin kung saan country ka pinaka-magtatagal.
Kung ang visa mo ay galing France, ibig sabihin: 👉 France ang declared main destination mo
Kung diretso kang pupunta sa Spain (Madrid) at walang malinaw na plano pumunta sa France, red flag ‘yun sa immigration.
2. First point of entry expectation (minsan)
Hindi always required, pero kung France ang nag-issue ng visa, kadalasan inaasahan na: 👉 Doon ka unang papasok OR may valid explanation kung bakit hindi
3. Suspicion of “visa shopping”
Kapag mukhang ginamit lang ang France para makakuha ng visa pero ibang country talaga ang pupuntahan, puwedeng isipin na: 👉 Nilabag ang visa intent
Dahil dito, puwedeng ma-offload (di payagang bumiyahe).
Bottom line
Oo, border-free ang travel within Schengen once nasa loob ka na.
Pero ang issue ay bago ka pa makapasok—sa airport pa lang ng departure country, tine-check na kung tugma ang visa mo sa plano mong biyahe.
Yes. Some people do abuse the system. At sa taas ng pinoy tnt sa Spain naghihigpit talaga sila pag Philippine passport holder ka. Kaya yung iba apply ng visa sa ibang schengen country
DeleteMay malabo sa story niya.
ReplyDeleteFirst, walang right yung airlines na magrevoke ng Schengen Visa, it is done by the embassy of the Schengen State. If Madrid destination niya pwede niya iargue na mag France siya ng matagal and this is done kapag nainterview na siya ng IO sa Madrid.
Second, bakit pa siya magflfly ng London kung ang issue lang naman is need niya dumaan ng Paris eh ang AirFrance is derecho naman Paris.
Third, nagpost siya ng pictures niya sa London so mahabang layover ang nangyari. Kung nagfly siya via Airfrance ano yun naging Manila to Paris, Paris to London tapos London to Paris ulit?
Sorry pero it doesnt make sense
Hay. I feel yung pag ka 3rd world country natin talaga. Need visa everywhere
ReplyDeleteWe flew couple of times with Air France kaya I can attest na an service nila ay So So Minsan ok Minsan Hindi. There was even one time that they totally forgot to give my son food (he was still a toddler at that time) binabaonan ko kc an anak ko ng food and some toys everytime bumabyahe kami and Kun type nya Yun food ko eh sinusubuan ko din xa cguro dahil din sa pagod/puyat that I only realized paguwi namin ng Bahay na Hindi xa nabigyan ng pagkain nor any toy/form of entertainment for kids on board 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ atska they are really racist Lalo na Kun Hindi ka White or don't speak French most esp Yun mga older crew nila Yan an napansin ko tapos they expect everyone speaks French Buti na lang xempre kasama ko c hubby everytime. Ibang iba talaga sa SQ alagang alaga ka from the moment you step in kaya Enchong next time don't fly European carriers they are not nice. Mag Asian or Middle eastern carriers ka like SQ, JAL, Korean air, Qatar Airways or Emirates pero for me SQ talaga the best Lalo na for long haul flights 👍🏻
ReplyDeleteFirst of all bago ka pa mag apply ng Schengen, hahanapin na ang plane tickets mo. So bakit sya nabigyan sa French embassy if ang pinakita nyang air tickets ay Madrid? Malabo ang kwento. I dont believe na racist sila sa Business class, been flying with them on Business class wala naman ganyang kaganapan, unless ikwento ni accla ang buong kwento why Spain ang punta tapos galing sa French embassy ang visa, nag change route ba sya at di sinunod kung ano ang mga sinubmit nya sa embassy? Noone knows
ReplyDeletePwede kasing previously-issued VISA na ito. France is known to issue multi-year and mulitple entry Schengen visa. So pwedeng nagamit na nya before - and since valid pa, he is using it to travel to Madrid, Spain. At dun ang problema - i think! I believe he was being questioned in Bangkok why he is travelling to Spain using a visa issued by France. It is true na open-border ang EU, pero when it comes to the uniform Schengen visa, it will look suspicious if your trip does not match the basis on which the visa was issued (i.e. France travel).
Delete7:17 makikita naman ng immigration sa system kung nag travel sya sa France within the visa validity period and that should somehow clear his intent
DeletePwedeng nagamit na nya, makikita nila sa travel history if may entry or exit record sya sa France
Delete8:50PM - kaso airline ang sumita sa kanya sa Bangkok. Airlines kasi ay may duty to make sure you have the required travel documents. It is true that sometimes they can be over-cautious - but this is because they possibly could face penalties if the passenger is denied entry in the country of destination. I am sure binigyan sya ng reason why they refused to board him. In my personal experience, I have an indian colleague offloaded from our Emirates flight in Dubai airport (nakasakay na kami sa eroplano) kasi they asked for a visa for SaoPaolo Brazil even if we were only transiting and rule says no visa is needed for transit. After he was disallowed, they validated this at the Dubai airport and he was allowed to fly the next day without the visa. That is how strict they are. But I wont go as far as calling them racist.
DeleteWala sya namention bakit France sya kumuha visa pero nsa Madrid sya, di nya nilinaw san longest stay nya. Palagi ako sa France kumukuha ng Schengen Visa kasi mabilis at straight to the point ang requirements unlike sa Italy na pati train tickets hahanapin sayo eh mostly ang train tix cant be cancelled if u change your plans.Actually di na nila ako tinatanong once I entered Schengen countries. Baka nag attitude kaya napagtripan ng airlines, ok naman for me ang AirFrance no racism na experience sa knila, mabait ang mga staff sa business class from lounge to plane, lagi nga lang delayed flights sila
ReplyDeleteSaan ba ang final destination nya? Kung anong bansa ang final destination mo, dun ka mag-apply ng Schengen Visa. Sa post nya, mukhang France ang nag-issue ng Schengen nya pero Madrid ang destination nya. I-block talaga sya. Kung Madrid punta nya, Spain dapat nag-issue ng Schengen nya. Na-block din sya sa London because England is not part of Schengen. He needs to have a separate visa for that.
ReplyDeleteHe should have checked all the visas he needed before travelling and the rules of Schengen.🙄
No comment on racism. Every country has a fair share on that.
I think Airfrance raised a valid concern because he is going to go to Madrid but he has a France-issued Schengen visa. Ito yung root-cause - and not because they are racist. Pwede siguro racist yan kung out of the blue, bigla syang pinagdiskitahan.
ReplyDeleteNot surprised.
ReplyDeleteFrench people are one of the top rudest people in the word 🤷🏻♂️
Ang expensive ng trip niya grabe!
ReplyDeleteSorry sa mga may mga asawa taga France ha pero isa sila sa mga pinaka dominante tao, tingin nila esp sa mga Asians mababa- wala sila pake - bastos din sila. Totoo yan. Even Italians hates them ayaw nila mga tao taga France. Mayayabang daw kasi. Mayabang na nga……..mas mabango pa aspin sa kanila. Totoo yan! Yes, they are racist. I swear nanahimik na mga yan If lumaban ka at wala na sila masagot sayo kasi alam nila nagkamali sila at sila yung tipo tao hinde aamin ng pagakakamali.ayaw nila napapahiya sila. This is base pag dating nakipag business ka sa kanila totoo yan
ReplyDeleteFrance is no longer the France it used to be. Their government is been collapsing. But his claim french are racist, its just his own personal feeling. These days people always throw racist card to just about anything. They become soft to just about any words they hear or actions towards them. There are people who are racist, that for sure but you need to toughen out when you're outside of your own comfort zone. The world don't revolves around you to caters your needs as you always expected it to be. If he really seriously thought that the airlines treated him unjustly he can always file a complaint against it. Or learn a thing or two on how to respond to someone discriminating you right then and there. But who cares with the workers who you might think discriminating you anyway? At the end of the day, they are just sitting there working for you to attend to your needs right?! And after the flight you get up and do your thing while they'll be still on the same spot tending to the next customers. Give them some slacks for the next person to offend;)
ReplyDeleteSa France nag apply ng Schengen Visa pero Spain ang main destination? Awit sayo
ReplyDeleteRACIST Card agad?
ReplyDeleteSa panahon ngayon na mahigpit ang borders sa Europe. Doon ka magspend muna sa iyong issuing embassy. Okay Enchong?! Inform yourself first bago pa magpa alam kuno na meronng Multi entry visa. Ayan tuloy napagastos kana, nadiscriminate kuno kapa.
ReplyDeleteCguro sa racism part eh medyo sensitive lang tayo.Mga Europeans naman ay direct at di sila paligoy ligoy talaga.
ReplyDeleteTruelagen. Direct to the point, efficient at practical
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