should we really blame the teacher? i mean i had my share of teachers who were bullies since gradeschool but I have a very open relationship with my parents especially my mom whom I talk to about my problems with bullies...i think may factor din naman siguro yung pagpapalaki sa knya nga parents nya as well as relationship nya sa parents nya sa nangyari hindi lng naman lahat pwede i blame sa bully na teacher. In us there is a hotline for people who thinks of commiting suicide-sometimes a depressed person just needs someone to talk to-just an opinion
nako asa pa tayo sa Pinas magka suicide Hotline eh iyon ngang emergency hotline magrereport ka lang ng Emergency magbabayad ka pa ng limang piso! Pero dapat talaga may free suicide Hotline dito 24/7 kasi dami na nagsuicide
hindi kelangan literally telepono ang hotline. person ang kelangan. may makausap ka para mailabas mo ang sama ang loob. parent, sibling, kaibigan o kahit na anobg support group.
Ilang teens na ba nagpapakamatay sa US dahil sa pambubully..usually mga teens pa ang kalimitan dito..may nakita nga ako sa youtube..nagpakamatay yung babae dahil di na kaya pambubully sa kanya..kahit lumipat na sila sinusundan pa siya ng mga bullies..sinasabihan pa siyang magpakamatay na siya.. iba iba naman kasi ang reaction ng bawat individual sa mga bullies eh... minsan ang iba di nakakaya...kaya di resort to suicide
Tama ka anon 8:04. Hindi dapat sisihin ang teacher sa pag suicide ng estudyante. Maraming tao ang mas malaki ang problema kesa sa napahiya dahil sa bintang ng plagiarism. May mga taong nakakulong ng walang kasalanan, may mga halos mamatay na sa gutom, at may namamatayan pero lumalaban.
"Don't blame others for something bad that you did." Be responsible for yourself ang lesson dito. It's not as if he was handed with a knife or a gun by the teacher to kill himself. He decided on it. It's not easy saying this because he's already dead, but then, I believe the teacher shouldn't be blamed. Hindi na bata un at may sariling utak un biktima.
As a former suicidal when I was a teen, when you're in our shoes, you don't blame anyone but yourself. Its the matter of how far a person can hold him/herself together. Everyone has their faults. For the kid, he is weak on coping, and its normal for those years to be confused. For his parents, they ignored signs of his crying help. For his friends, maybe they weren't paying that much attention. Cause for depressed kids, we tend to ask help implicitly. We keep on waiting for someone who can notice the problem but I am not saying that its all the fault of those who were around him. As I said, suicide and suicidal thoughts are not as simple as you think it is. For his teacher, I guess she was the last straw of his pressure.
Pressure that he might fail his parents. Some people are not as strong as most of us, so please just respect the kid. He probably thought ending life would solve his problems. But I am just saying, let's not blame anyone and accept as it is. Let's just pray for his peaceful rest.
Btw, suicide hotline is not really that helpful. We have a suicide hotline in the PH. When you have suicidal thoughts and tried to ask for help, you feel stupid "calling" a stranger. You'll feel embarrassed that you're not as normal as strong people. But, i still hope that the hotline would help. This suicide issue is very close to my heart. Its not easy to overcome depression and availing psychiatrists are so expensive.
I don't understand why the parents are blaming the teacher. The student, may he rest in peace, committed plagiarism which is a serious offense. The teacher has a right to reprimand the student. It's not bullying. So if sasakyan natin logic ng parents...you mean to say dapat din managot mga nang iwan ng bfs/gfs/husbands/wives who ended up committing suicide? It does not make sense. Why punish someone just because some people are too weak to face the realities of life? Judgmental na kung judgmental but isn't it the parents who are supposed to know if something's wrong with their children? Kahit nga bata malalaman agad ng nanay if sometging's bothering the kid.
Let us not put all the blame on the teacher. First of all the student is an adult, he is already 18 years old. Also all I see in the news is the accusation that the teacher is a "bully" but there is no concrete evidence, example or statement why the teacher is considered a bully. Is accusing a student of plagiarism considered bullying? If the student is innocent he could easily prove the accusation wrong, specially since he has the financial means to hire a lawyer. So this suicide is baffling really. The "bullying" appears to be a petty reason to commit suicide.
Ginawang big issue kasi iyang bullying eh diyan ka nga titibay. Wait mo 5/10 years iyong mga nagbully sa iyo nakarma din, wala narating. Sana sinumbong niya sa nanay muna niya. Baka napayuhan siya. Ako nung maliit pag binully nagsusumbong sa tatay ko. Nung wala na tatay ko, eh di ako na lang lumalaban sa mga bullies ko na usually ay insecure lang at ksp. May options siya eh sayang. Gwapo at matalino pa siya.
bawat individual kasi iba ibang ang paraan ng pag cope sa bullying..yung iba namang pambully sobra naman..na to the point nasisira yung morale ng isang tao.. isearch nyo sa youtube ang teens react to bullying amanda todd...nagpakamatay siya dahil sa pambubully ng ex niya at ng girlfriend nito...
bawat individual kasi iba ibang ang paraan ng pag cope sa bullying..yung iba namang pambully sobra naman..na to the point nasisira yung morale ng isang tao.. isearch nyo sa youtube ang teens react to bullying amanda todd...nagpakamatay siya dahil sa pambubully ng ex niya at ng girlfriend nito...
I agree. Ilang beses rin ako na-bully noong estudyante pa to the point na ayaw ko nang pumasok ng school. Pero hindi naging dahilan iyon para isipin kong mag-suicide. Tingin ko lang naman, ang mga taong nagde-decide na kitlin ang sarili nilang buhay ay iyong mga mahihina ang loob. Sinayang niya ang buhay niya. Puwede naman siya magsabi sa parents nya. tsk tsk.
Bullying is not a petty reason. You can only say that if you've never been the object of true bullying. Patay na nga ung bata, character assassination na by downplaying what reason he may have for committing suicide as petty. The facts will surface when legal actions commence so while it's true we shouldn't "put all the blame on the teacher", we shouldn't downplay or pick on the one who committed suicide either. A fair appreciation of what happened is possible without resorting to character assassination of the parties involved.
Boys in puberty DON'T TELL THEIR MOM's their business, OKAY? They're not girls who run to their moms. Threatening a child is still bullying/harrassment. But again, we don't know the whole story. Maybe the student is just emotionally weak. And 18 years old is still a minor.
18 years old under Phil law is not considered a minor anymore. Surely there are other reasons to his suicide other than the plagiarism accusation and the supposed bullying.
wrong. 18yrs old is the age of majority in PH. baka iba ung iniisip mo, age of emancipation which is 21. for all intents and purposes, an 18yr old is already an adult whose actions are legally-binding. pwede na nga magpakasal sa ganung edad e.
Every person has a limit. It is very possible that he committed suicide because of bullying. Unfortunately he will not be able to explain himself anymore coz he's dead
Parang natakot cguro siya maexpose dahil yung mga gawa niya e mga plagiarize so pinili nlng yung hindi na niya maririnig pa ang mga kahihiyang paguusapan pa siya. Skolar eh.
Eto rin ang naisip ko...sobra siguro ang pressure "to be perfect", kaya kaysa mapahiya nagawa niya mag-suicide...I wonder what kind of family dynamic they have at home, that he lost sight of his self worth under such tremendous stress? Please, understand, I am not passing judgement, I can only imagine how tough it must be to lose a beloved family member to suicide, I'm merely asking a question. Fundamentally, no matter what happens, the family unit will love, accept, and protect it's own. Did he have such a sheltered upbringing that he was unable to fend for himself when he needed to, instinctively, fight for himself (figuratively speaking)? I wonder what it was that he was going through in his life that precluded him from seeking the support of his family?
hindi naman sa kinakampihan ko yung teacher pero for me ang babaw na dahilan ng nangyari para magpakamatay ha. mas maraming tao ang mas bonggang kahihiyan ang napagdaanan pero lumalaban pa rin. anyway, this is sad pa rin. lets pray na lang his soul and healing of his loved ones.
Not everyone has the same COPING ABILITIES, given na the boy is really smart, his ego and pride from excelling in everything wasn't able to adjust or suppress his emotions. For him to commit suicide must have been really depressing for him, it looks like he has no choice and options left. We cannot judge what he felt. We're not on his shoes. Each people has unique ways in adapting, he wasn't able to. Rest in peace. That teacher is a total shame.
to anon 12:47 You should not blame the teacher...I myself was a victim of bullying when I was in high school. I'm female but still alive until this very moment. (I'm already 49). You are right, "we cannot judge what he felt," and this should also be pertained to the teacher himself/herself since you don't know what really happened. It's not only the teacher that shapes the personality of a student, but also his/her peers and importantly his /her family as well.
Kasi ang teacher dapat sumusuporta sa student hindi nanghihiya. Kaso ang inaalalayan lng ng teacher ay un paborito nila. Therapeutic and nurturing ang ideal na teacher.
correct @ 12:47 AM. ang mababaw sa iba, malalim sa ilan. iba-iba tayo ng paghandle ng stress sa buhay natin. may mga taong madaling mag give up or mahirap maka cope up.
For normal people i know you all think this is a petty issue. But for the victims of suicical thoughts, you will never imagine how much demons are trying to pull him down. Suicide awareness in this country is still poor. You all keep judging a victim as if you think its a "sosy problem" but its not.
Depende talaga sa tao,pero sana hndi NA maulit toh, kasi kasalan talaga sa taas ang kitilin ang sariling buhay mo. Hndi rin natin masisi ang parents, naghahanap din sila ng sagot sa mga tanong nila.. Sakit nyan. Condolence to the parents..
Exactly so why blame other people just because some people have poor coping abilities? So strong people have to be on their toes all the time so as not to make the weaker ones feel bad? twisted logic
That's good, they didn't show the face of the teacher in national television, because it's all assumptions and stuff, if they are really sure the teacher is the cause of the death of this kid, they would have had the guts to show or name the teacher. Don't blame anyone when they commit suicide, I have been bullied way more, or I have seen some of my friends been bullied and we have a really ordinary life, these rich kids they can't seem to handle even a bit of cruelty to them, they just kill themselves.
not showing the name of the teacher doesn't justify anything. For private reasons and decency reasons, I think they aren't showing it until the case has been formally filed and processed.
Mukhang may proud alumni ng Monsay dito ha hehe. Nasa tao iyan, depende sa naturalesa niya. Maka push naman ng public. At saka sana nagseek siya ng help sa friends, family, professional counseling, kay God etc. Madaming options ang ating buhay. Sana kasi hindi parang taboo ang clinical depression dito sa atin. Plus tangalin ang pride, pagiging perfectionist. Seek help. Help yourself. - dating malungkutin ahehehe
Anon 2:59: May nabalitaan ka na bang nag suicide dahil napagalitan ng teacher nya sa public school? Karamihan sa magagaling na lawyers, doctors, nurses, teacher, etc, natin ay galing sa public schools.
alam mo ba ang sinabi? e kung sinabi sa kanya na expelled na siya, na walang college na tatanggap sa kanya, na ipapahiya siya sa lahat ng kaklase niya? na wala na siyang future?
e yun pala 15 mins detention lang pala ang parusa at dapat the parents were informed. sus. tagilid yang teacher na yan at skwelahan. lawyers will be falling over themselves trying to get this case.
Madaming cases ng suicide sa mga student, hindi lng narereport. Lalo na sa ganyang edad. Mas madami nga lng namamatay na lalaki dahil successful sila sa mga suicide attempts nila. Hindi panghuhusga na weak sila ang kelangan ng taong suicidal kung hindi pag unawa at pagmamahal. Mahirap kasi dito sa pinas, minamaliit ang mga may depression at nega na kapag narinig ng kapitbahay na nagpaconsult ka dahil sa depression.
I push nyo pa yang public schools nyo, wala sa school yan may iba iba tayong coping abilities.. tsaka scholar sya i think na depressed sya dahil sa kahihiyan na malantad na nga gawa nya i plagiarized..kaloka kayo maka push sa public school...
4:07, meron din yan, di lang binabalita. Aske some public school teachers. Pls lang, wala sa school yan kung malakas coping capabilities mo o magiging successful ka sa career, nasa tao yan.
4:07 i think marami din nagsuicide fr public schools, yun nga lang hindi nababalita. Its not about private vs public.
And to address your other point, madami din naman graduate of private schools ay CEOs, managers kagad, business owners, entrepreneurs. Aminin mo yan! Some companies if you are from dlsu or ateneo with impressive grades, manager kaagad. If you are from less popular schools with the same grades, pasok ka lang but you have to work your way up. Infairnez.
Bihira ang nagpapakamatay na mahirap dahil bata pa lang sila ay kailangan na nilang mamuhay sa problema paano makakain. Iba ang coping mechanisms ng mahihirap dahil alam nila ang hirap. Unlike those who have, they think its the end of the world cause they're not used to having a hard life. Theory ko lang naman yun and not to discriminate poor people.
May naalaala ako taga UP nagsuicide dahil walang pang tuition. Mayroon pa HS student sa public nagaral nagsuicide din. Issue iyon dati kasi ayaw siya bigyan ng final rights ng church. Wala iyan sa school.
Tama wala sa schools yan, pero mas madalas nagpapakamatay, eh yung matalino, mayaman!! Mas madalas sila tinatamaan ng depression. Yung mga mahihirap, depression nila pera!! Makain, pang aral!! Ang ratio ng nagpapakamatay sa mayayaman at mahirap 2:1 ang nakakalungkot lang sa pinas, pag may depression ka, may sapak ka na sa utak, sira na ulo mo, kaya nga dapat may mga kaibigan ka na mapagkakatiwaalan mo na masasabhan ng problma..
The kid just lives in the same street as I am. I don't know him personally but it was said that the British teacher emotionally abused the kid by using harsh words. I think Liam got very scared and just decided to end his life.
I hope they investigate further instead of putting all the blame on the teacher alone. How's the boy's relationship with his parents? Could it be that he was scared of the repercussions and how it will be taken by his parents? I think it's unfair to just blame the teacher altogether.
Yan din ang iniisip ko, parang ang bilis naman niya mag decide to end his life. Halatang takot, based on this video yung mom niya mukha strong yung personality hindi man lang umiyak.
Opinion k lang po ito ha, i think maysdo mataas expectations ng parents, kaya sguro nung napag sabhan ng teacher, mukhang hndi kayang ma process ng emotion nya, kasi iniisip nya ayaw nya ma dissapoint ang parents nya..
Sayang. We just don't know what went though his mind. For us with strong coping mechanisms, this action is deemed weak and shallow. But to those with very poor coping mechanisms, it's the only way out.
Kaya nga dpat matuto tayong maging sensitive sa kapakanan ng mga mahal natin sa buhay. Matuto tayong makita ang mga senyales na maaring mapakamatay sila. Ang Panginoon ay maawain, nandun na sya sa piling nya.
Ganyan sana ang ginawa ng teacher. Kahit anong mali ang nagawa ng bata, hindi siya dapat hiyain! Yung teacher din may mali! Bakit nga ba may mga taong bully? May mali din sa pagpapalaki sa kanila?
suicide is a complex matter. people should not jump into conclusions. the family should examine his life first. he could be an achiever and appear to be happy but that cannot discount the fact that he was carrying a heavy burden. heavy enough to cause him to end his life. one single incident is not enough to push one to do this.
The unbecoming of human starts in the schooL Nakakaloka ang eskwelahan mapa Private or public. So pag exclusive school teacher ang nambhbully pag public school student naman ang nambubully, ganun? Mal education na ba ang itinuturo sa Exclusive school?
Actually you are wrong. The unbecoming of human starts in the home. Kasi ang home ang basic unit ng society. If this level of society palang hindi na maganda fpundation nya, mas mahihirapan sya sa outside world like school. so ang question dito, ano ang mga itinuro ng magulang sa kanya bago sya magschool.
The unbecoming of human starts in the schooL Nakakaloka ang eskwelahan mapa Private or public. So pag exclusive school teacher ang nambhbully pag public school student naman ang nambubully, ganun? Mal education na ba ang itinuturo sa Exclusive school?
May Public school ang ngbubully teacher.. dipende naman yun sa Teacher. at kung papano nya ihandle ang students nya. meron kasi mga Palaban na teacher na di rin marunong lumugar at prng kausap lng "kabarkada" Nakakalungkot lang may he rest in peace
Public school teacher : basahin mo to. grade 1 (6years old) : nahihirapan magbasa.. Public school techer: Kinuha ang libro tinuktuk sa ulo grade 1 student imbes na mag-basa umiyak dahil siguro sa nasaktan, or napahiya sa harap ng madaming classmates na nag tawanan.. how do you feel for this?
I am sorry that he had to resort to taking his own life, but we cannot put all the blame on the teacher's shoulders! Someone doesn't go from being normal to committing suicide in just one day, c'mon. His decision was a result of several factors, possibly sustained over an extended period.
ultimately it was the student's decision to take his own life. other people have bigger problems than being accused of plagiarizing something for school work.
what happened was sad but to say that it was the teacher's fault is preposterous.
I tend to agree with you 11.10 it's sad that he had to end his life but ultimately he did it to himself. It was a one off scolding not a prolonged one, he was probably too ashamed to admit to his family that he was a cheat. Can't see why they blame to the school for this.
The pressure of passing his IB could have contributed to this. Deadlines are coming up and these students are set to graduate soon. I don't think one would be foolish enough to plagiarise an essay. These essays go through a process and similarity percentages are looked at. The teacher could have just talked to him in private
Marami talagang bully na teachers. Di lang students kundi kapwa teacher pa binully ng iba. But yeah, it would be very unfair kung sa teacher lang isisisi ang nangyari.
Dapat may record din ang guidance nila ng tests kung masasabi ngang may suicidal tendency talaga yung bata kung nag-conduct man sila. Due process must be served to both parties.
exactly. may guidance test results that are available and which should be used by the teacher in dealing with students especially in something with serious repercussions.
This is sad. I mean siguro naman lahat tayo naka experience ng ma bully or mang bully at some point in our lives. At the end of the day naman it still depends on how we cope up eh. Like ako I got bullied a lot lalo na when I was a kid because I walk with a limp. Yes affected din ako and it gets to me din but I realized that with this condition, I should learn how to be strong and fight back. Kaya deadma ko na lang kayo lahat lol. Kaya we cannot really just blame someone for your circumstances. So I think in this case we cannot put the blame lang sa teacher. Marami namang factors yan na pwede sigurong naka trigger din or nakadagdag kung may suicidal tendencies talaga sya? Suicide is a very complex matter.
it's not the usual bullying of "kakasa ka ba?" type. what happened to this kid is he was made to feel like there was no hope left; that all his options are closed. that was just the content, we have to find out how such was conveyed to him. it seems that he was shamed as well. sabit ang teacher and school diyan.
1. plagiarism in high school. turuan mo mag quote or mag proper citation. kaya ka nga nandyan e para magturo and to guide these kids. plus you are teaching teenagers not filing a case of intellectual property violation. kung tratuhin mong criminal yung bata e parang you condemned him na. teaching is not criminal prosecution.
2. follow your own rules. 15 min detention and inform parents.
3. as a teacher, you should not make your students world close in on him. you correct. you explain. you support. you encourage.
4. the school should let go of the teacher and settle this case asap. you are dealing with sensitive teenagers, your teacher did not follow protocol, and you hired her. nip this in the bud. the more this is goes on the worse it will be for you in PR terms and as a general distraction.
'yun din iniisip ko, ba't 'di sinunod ng teacher 'yung rule na 15 min detention and inform parents? TEACHER NA SIYA, 'DI PA NIYA ALAM ANG RULES? kailangan pa talagang ask forgiveness sa WHOLE school body? parang sadista 'ata 'yung teacher. plus, may iba rin daw na mga students na na-bully na rin nung teacher, takot lang silang magsalita.
So why didn't he go to his parents for love and support? Clearly, there's something wrong there also. Just because its so easy to blame one party, it doesnt mean thats the right thing to do. It can't only be Ms. Mann, or Liam's Parent's fault... it is no one's. Really, blaming anyone will not bring him back.
I am one of Liam's classmates, and i know first hand that the school and Ms. Mann only ever cared for the well being of the students. It is interesting when i hear people say "he has died in vain" ... Liam didn't die for a cause except to rid himself from pain. Knowing Liam, had he survived his fall, he would kill himself all over again knowing about this mess his family and those involved had conjured up.
what exactly did the teacher do or say to liam? maybe they should have solid proof first that it was really the teacher's actions that pushed liam to kill himself before they start blame game.
According to the mom, ilan days daw hinde umuwi yung bata after he was reprimanded at school. Could it be that he was scared to go home and face his parents? Sure, it was probably wrong of the teacher to accuse him in front of his fellow students, but come on, teachers have to do what they have to do. This is BSM for crying out loud and most of the students here are very entitled. They need something to ground them when they are making mistakes. The bigger question is how is the kid's relationship to his family especially his parents. Minsan masyadong dinadamdam ng mga bata ang mistakes and failures nila because of how they are taken by the people around them. His family may be grieving but I hope naman na hinde sila maging unfair sa teacher.
I guess now we'll never know what prompted this boy to end his life. There could be a lot of things going on in his life. May he rest in peace.
Maybe sobra ang expectations ng parents sa bata kaya natakot o nahiya siyang ma-disappoint ang mga ito! Pero may contributing factor din ang ginawa ng teacher kung bakit naisip ng bata na mag-suicide. Sabihan ba naman ng teacher na he had to apologize not only to his classmates but to the entire school as well! Siempre malaking kahihiyan yun para sa bata a scholar pa naman! Kaya siguro di nakayanan ng bata ang dadanasing kahihiyan!
Teachers have to do what they have to do, true. But more is expected from them than the common person, lalo na sa pangunawa and patience. While the kids in this school probably suffer from a high sense of entitlement, the teachers should know how to ground these kids without resorting to bullying. Teachers are human yes, and nauubusan din sila ng pasensya but it can't be denied that a lot of teachers nagpopower trip din. Imagine the teacher amidst a sea of pampered kids. Ang sagot diyan, the teacher should have been more self aware. Teaching is not a profession that happens by accident. Either you really want to pursue it or wala kang mapasukan na ibang trabaho (which wouldn't be the case for schools like the British school). So more is expected from a teacher because he/she is a teacher. The teacher can't hide under the argument na tao lang, just like priests/nuns/policemen/lawyers/public officials. Baliktarin ang mundo, that teacher will always have moral ascendancy over his/her students and this moral ascendancy closely resembles and even mimics the moral ascendancy parents have over their kids. So if you add being bullied by a person with that kind of power over you with being young and public humiliation - you never know how it's going to turn out.
Before anyone persecutes the teacher, has anybody even ask about the psychological profile of the student. The plagiarism alone could not force anyone to take his life. There must be a lot of underlying issues that surrounded his death. What was the state of his mental health? In this time of grief it is easy to point a finger or blame a person for the loss. During my days as a student , there was a teacher who picked on me and made my life a living hell . It did not push me to the edge. It does not take a single event to make a person end his life.
It's very clear that you don't understand what is depression. Kapag na depress ka it doesn't matter the reason mababaw man ang dahilan. Iba Iba ang impact nito sa tao, may mga nagpakamatay dahil hindi nabigay ng ng load sa cp ng magulang. Dito sa US plagiarism is a big crime lalo na sa school, maririndi tenga mo kaka explain ng prof kada subject mo how it will ruin your life
Agree. What about his family background? Pakamatay kagad? Di man lang nagsumbong sa mom/dad about the "bully" teacher? How is his relationship with his parents?
5:38 pm please go to med school first before you comment, because I did. People who commit suicide have underlying psychiatric issues and IT IS IN COMBINATION WITH OTHER RISK FACTORS. Over 90% of people who die by suicide have UNTREATED clinical depression or another diagnosable mental disorder. STRESS is inherent in our daily lives. Suicide and suicidal behavior is not a normal response to stress. AS PER GRADE A CLINICAL STUDIES, It is very rare that someone dies by suicide because of one cause. MOST PATIENTS HAVE UNDERLYING CLINICAL DEPRESSION. IT IS EASY TO ACCUSE A PERSON AS BEING THE CAUSE OF DEATH, IT IS EASY TO POINT FINGERS BECAUSE IT IS ALSO THE EASIEST THING TO DO. The fact that the family did not even notice any worrying SIGNS OR SYMPTOMS, it seems that the child did not have any adequate social support system in place. THE OTHER FACTOR IS THAT teenage years are among the most difficult years of life , pressures that are put on the modern teenager can be overwhelming, as can the additional expectations from adults and peers alike. Some teenagers are not equipped to adequately handle these pressures without help. Having a strong social support or network helps which is basically ONE'S FAMILY. While some teenagers thrive in such COMPETETIVE environment, others can't handle the pressure. It is important FOR PARENTS to make it CLEAR that while you are proud of accomplishments, they do not form the basis of your love for the child. PARENTS should let their children know that they are willing to help, and that it is not necessary to try and do everything. The very fact that he never opened up to his family, is quite questionable unless the family knows something yet did not do anything about it or they are just looking for a scapegoat for failing their child. It is totally wrong to crucify the teacher just because the whole village failed a child.
Parents pa din ang dapat sisihin sa kahinaan ng bata na paglaban sarili nya. Binubully lahat tayo at some point in our lives. Kung may nakakausap yan sa bahay, nanay nya, kapatid nya, etc.hindi yan magpapakamatay. Saka yung faith din sa dyos, mangagaling din sa magulang.
May mga bata din kasing takot mag-open up. The could possibly be unapproachable too. Either ways, sa panahon ngayon dapat magaling na tayo bumasa ng tao.
Parents either should not be blamed entirely. Malaki na ung biktima. May utak na at supposedly matalino. It was his decision to take his life. And if he is indeed a good child, he himself wouldn't want anyone to blame his parents for what he did.
Reputasyon kasi bilang iskolar ang at stake. Graduating pa naman sya. Malaking kahihiyan nga naman kung maakusahan sya ng plagiarism tapos pinag-aapologize pa sa buong eskwelahan! Dapat hindi sobrang naging harsh yug teacher! Hindi pa nga napapatunayan kug talagang plagiarized yung ginawangessay nung bata! Mismong mga classmates nagpapatunay na talagang matalino daw yung bata! Dapat kinausap na lang talaga ng teacher in private!
suicide is taken seriously..especially if there are signs prior to commiting it...it can be prevented if intervention has been implemented..depression/hopelessness/drugs/previous attempts/mental illness are few factors of suicide..malamang sobrang takot ng batang ito that lead him to kill himself..sayang sana may nakausap sana sya before he did it bka buhay pa sya hanngang ngayon..worldwide suicide attempts are 2 or 3rd reason for mortality..dami nagpapakamatay..the youngest ive heard was 5 years old in the US
May mga teachers/professors talaga na bullies. Feeling high and mighty. Feeling nila hawak nila sa leeg ang mga estudyante! Even sa place of work mero din lalo pag baguhan ka. Ang mga ganitong klase ng tao ang may diprensya sa pag-iisip! Sila dapat ang mag-seek ng professional help!
Sometimes when teachers is very frustrated and angry they lashed out! They say words with or with out their knowledge na nakakainsulto at nakakababa ng self-esteem ng student. Minsan kasi paggalit na sila, they can say whatever they want specially thru my experience in highschool and elementary. We had a teacher during grade-school na everyday kung magalit. We know na may mali kami but everytime na lang ba even through smallest things? Ang bigat kaya sa pakiramdam ang laging ganun, instead na gaganahan kang mag-aral bumababa ang self-esteem and interest ng student. Remember, gradeschool and highschool doon palang nadedevelope ang pag-iisip ng mga student, state of maturity is still on process. Parents and teachers should be careful on guiding them at this stages.
I don't think yung pambubully lang ng teacher ang tanging reason ng pagcommit niya ng suicide.. maaaring may hinaharap na siyang problema na kinikimkim then nag trigger lang yung pambubully kaya ginawa niya ang pagpapakamatay...
Lets pray for him and hia family na naiwan nya Lately may nga news about suicide Or baka.di na nababalita Guilty ako.sa.suicidal thoughts na yan, In way older than the boy pero sana.may nakausap or nakapag open up man sya,baka kahit paano ,gumaan ang dinadala nya,baka nabanggit lang niya recently ang about sa teacher nya, pero baka may iba pang dahilan
Pinsan ko during.her. HS years Committed suicide, she survived ,akala namin bf nya may fault ,iyon pala mom nya,si tita kasi nagger daw and strict,nasasakal sya masyado that time..
And if someone tells you that he or she is depressed or sad lagi Kausapin,encourage sila May warning signs na.siguro pero ,maaaring di Napansin or ipinagsawalang.bahala Im not blaming the family nor friends though We all have our own Problems or issues, and we Have our ways To solve these things. poor boy Condolence to the family
isa rin akong victim third year school student 14 yeard old pinagsalitaan ako ng guro ng masasakit na sa salita "gustong gusto raw nya akong sabunutan " oras ng klase walang ginawa kundi ako patawagin para lang tanungin ang personal life hindi man lang ako pinakinggan sa aking explanation masyado ako tinorture pinahiya ng teacher at ng guidance pinapasa dyos n ko n lang kayo sa ginawa ninyo sa akin kailangan kong maging matatag para sa aking magulang
Rest in peace Liam, may God forgive you and give your soul a rest. And for the teacher who had shamed you and gave you that feeling of hopelessness, may she find It in her heart to be more understanding and considerate to her students specially on matters of academic misdemeanors. As a teacher you have all the authority over your students, and may you use it for the better molding of your students character and that includes compassion and empathy. Social pressures, it's the leading teen killer in the world by committing suicide, it should be stopped. No matter how the parents guide their children as good as they can....it will all be wasted by people who put a halt on someone'S life by too much degradation and humiliation ....that's is social cruelty. Some may take it by passing and charge it to experience but unfortunately others can't. We shouldn't blame them because that is who they are.... A little respect for he dead student people, he's gone and no one from the people who have made him hopeless can undone what he did to his precious life, he was still young and inexperienced still trying to make his own identity. Sadly it was cut short....because he wasn't that strong. Don't blame him for being weak in handling his personal dilemmas, we we're not In his shoes when he was feeling extremely down. We don't know how he felt, empathy my friends that's what the teacher lacks and most of you here. May God forgive you for judging this boy, for blaming him instead of praying for the peace of his soul.
He was threatened, bullied and humiliated. Most of you here are fortunately strong enough to cope and pls stop comparing the other person from the another.
I am a teacher. I have come across teachers who are nasty and have it in for certain kids. It sounds to me like this teacher went too far and was a bully. I am not blaming her for the suicide of the boy but it looks bad that she resigned and did not even have the decency to return and explain her side of the story. It looks to me like she ran away. The school should be rightly condemned too. The Principal should resign. He should not allow a teacher to make an example of a student like that.
should we really blame the teacher? i mean i had my share of teachers who were bullies since gradeschool but I have a very open relationship with my parents especially my mom whom I talk to about my problems with bullies...i think may factor din naman siguro yung pagpapalaki sa knya nga parents nya as well as relationship nya sa parents nya sa nangyari hindi lng naman lahat pwede i blame sa bully na teacher. In us there is a hotline for people who thinks of commiting suicide-sometimes a depressed person just needs someone to talk to-just an opinion
ReplyDeletenako asa pa tayo sa Pinas magka suicide Hotline eh iyon ngang emergency hotline magrereport ka lang ng Emergency magbabayad ka pa ng limang piso! Pero dapat talaga may free suicide Hotline dito 24/7 kasi dami na nagsuicide
Deletehindi kelangan literally telepono ang hotline. person ang kelangan. may makausap ka para mailabas mo ang sama ang loob. parent, sibling, kaibigan o kahit na anobg support group.
DeleteIlang teens na ba nagpapakamatay sa US dahil sa pambubully..usually mga teens pa ang kalimitan dito..may nakita nga ako sa youtube..nagpakamatay yung babae dahil di na kaya pambubully sa kanya..kahit lumipat na sila sinusundan pa siya ng mga bullies..sinasabihan pa siyang magpakamatay na siya.. iba iba naman kasi ang reaction ng bawat individual sa mga bullies eh... minsan ang iba di nakakaya...kaya di resort to suicide
DeleteTama ka anon 8:04. Hindi dapat sisihin ang teacher sa pag suicide ng estudyante. Maraming tao ang mas malaki ang problema kesa sa napahiya dahil sa bintang ng plagiarism. May mga taong nakakulong ng walang kasalanan, may mga halos mamatay na sa gutom, at may namamatayan pero lumalaban.
DeleteTruelaley ba yang limang piso??!! Hahaha waley!!!
Delete117 iyon. Negosyo nga.
Delete"Don't blame others for something bad that you did." Be responsible for yourself ang lesson dito. It's not as if he was handed with a knife or a gun by the teacher to kill himself. He decided on it. It's not easy saying this because he's already dead, but then, I believe the teacher shouldn't be blamed. Hindi na bata un at may sariling utak un biktima.
DeleteAs a former suicidal when I was a teen, when you're in our shoes, you don't blame anyone but yourself. Its the matter of how far a person can hold him/herself together. Everyone has their faults. For the kid, he is weak on coping, and its normal for those years to be confused. For his parents, they ignored signs of his crying help. For his friends, maybe they weren't paying that much attention. Cause for depressed kids, we tend to ask help implicitly. We keep on waiting for someone who can notice the problem but I am not saying that its all the fault of those who were around him. As I said, suicide and suicidal thoughts are not as simple as you think it is. For his teacher, I guess she was the last straw of his pressure.
DeletePressure that he might fail his parents. Some people are not as strong as most of us, so please just respect the kid. He probably thought ending life would solve his problems. But I am just saying, let's not blame anyone and accept as it is. Let's just pray for his peaceful rest.
Btw, suicide hotline is not really that helpful. We have a suicide hotline in the PH. When you have suicidal thoughts and tried to ask for help, you feel stupid "calling" a stranger. You'll feel embarrassed that you're not as normal as strong people. But, i still hope that the hotline would help. This suicide issue is very close to my heart. Its not easy to overcome depression and availing psychiatrists are so expensive.
Very well said 12:06 am, thank u for sharing ur opinion.
DeleteI don't understand why the parents are blaming the teacher. The student, may he rest in peace, committed plagiarism which is a serious offense. The teacher has a right to reprimand the student. It's not bullying. So if sasakyan natin logic ng parents...you mean to say dapat din managot mga nang iwan ng bfs/gfs/husbands/wives who ended up committing suicide? It does not make sense. Why punish someone just because some people are too weak to face the realities of life? Judgmental na kung judgmental but isn't it the parents who are supposed to know if something's wrong with their children? Kahit nga bata malalaman agad ng nanay if sometging's bothering the kid.
DeleteLet us not put all the blame on the teacher. First of all the student is an adult, he is already 18 years old. Also all I see in the news is the accusation that the teacher is a "bully" but there is no concrete evidence, example or statement why the teacher is considered a bully. Is accusing a student of plagiarism considered bullying? If the student is innocent he could easily prove the accusation wrong, specially since he has the financial means to hire a lawyer. So this suicide is baffling really. The "bullying" appears to be a petty reason to commit suicide.
ReplyDeleteGinawang big issue kasi iyang bullying eh diyan ka nga titibay. Wait mo 5/10 years iyong mga nagbully sa iyo nakarma din, wala narating. Sana sinumbong niya sa nanay muna niya. Baka napayuhan siya. Ako nung maliit pag binully nagsusumbong sa tatay ko. Nung wala na tatay ko, eh di ako na lang lumalaban sa mga bullies ko na usually ay insecure lang at ksp. May options siya eh sayang. Gwapo at matalino pa siya.
Deletebawat individual kasi iba ibang ang paraan ng pag cope sa bullying..yung iba namang pambully sobra naman..na to the point nasisira yung morale ng isang tao.. isearch nyo sa youtube ang teens react to bullying amanda todd...nagpakamatay siya dahil sa pambubully ng ex niya at ng girlfriend nito...
Deletebawat individual kasi iba ibang ang paraan ng pag cope sa bullying..yung iba namang pambully sobra naman..na to the point nasisira yung morale ng isang tao.. isearch nyo sa youtube ang teens react to bullying amanda todd...nagpakamatay siya dahil sa pambubully ng ex niya at ng girlfriend nito...
DeleteI agree. Ilang beses rin ako na-bully noong estudyante pa to the point na ayaw ko nang pumasok ng school. Pero hindi naging dahilan iyon para isipin kong mag-suicide. Tingin ko lang naman, ang mga taong nagde-decide na kitlin ang sarili nilang buhay ay iyong mga mahihina ang loob. Sinayang niya ang buhay niya. Puwede naman siya magsabi sa parents nya. tsk tsk.
Delete@ AnonymousFebruary 10, 2015 at 8:47 PM
DeleteBullying is not a petty reason. You can only say that if you've never been the object of true bullying. Patay na nga ung bata, character assassination na by downplaying what reason he may have for committing suicide as petty. The facts will surface when legal actions commence so while it's true we shouldn't "put all the blame on the teacher", we shouldn't downplay or pick on the one who committed suicide either. A fair appreciation of what happened is possible without resorting to character assassination of the parties involved.
Boys in puberty DON'T TELL THEIR MOM's their business, OKAY? They're not girls who run to their moms. Threatening a child is still bullying/harrassment. But again, we don't know the whole story. Maybe the student is just emotionally weak. And 18 years old is still a minor.
Delete18 years old under Phil law is not considered a minor anymore. Surely there are other reasons to his suicide other than the plagiarism accusation and the supposed bullying.
Deletewrong. 18yrs old is the age of majority in PH. baka iba ung iniisip mo, age of emancipation which is 21. for all intents and purposes, an 18yr old is already an adult whose actions are legally-binding. pwede na nga magpakasal sa ganung edad e.
DeleteEvery person has a limit. It is very possible that he committed suicide because of bullying. Unfortunately he will not be able to explain himself anymore coz he's dead
DeleteYup. Blame it to the teacher as if siya ang nagsabing tumalon siya sa building or siya mismo ang nagtulak.
ReplyDeleteParang natakot cguro siya maexpose dahil yung mga gawa niya e mga plagiarize so pinili nlng yung hindi na niya maririnig pa ang mga kahihiyang paguusapan pa siya. Skolar eh.
ReplyDeleteEto rin ang naisip ko...sobra siguro ang pressure "to be perfect", kaya kaysa mapahiya nagawa niya mag-suicide...I wonder what kind of family dynamic they have at home, that he lost sight of his self worth under such tremendous stress? Please, understand, I am not passing judgement, I can only imagine how tough it must be to lose a beloved family member to suicide, I'm merely asking a question. Fundamentally, no matter what happens, the family unit will love, accept, and protect it's own. Did he have such a sheltered upbringing that he was unable to fend for himself when he needed to, instinctively, fight for himself (figuratively speaking)? I wonder what it was that he was going through in his life that precluded him from seeking the support of his family?
DeleteMy sincere condolences to his family and friends.
ganun nga yata... pag mataas ang IQ, mababa ang EQ. may you rest in peace.
ReplyDeleteay hindi ah! i beg to disagree! though hindi excellent ang EQ ko, pero hindi naman mababa. above-average siya. genius yung IQ ko.
DeleteTrue daw yan, hindi daw magaling mag dala ng problema ang mga matatalino. Sa Canada pag nahuli ka automatic 0 ang makukuha mo, walang detention. RIP
Deleteoo nga sabi nila, usually daw ang mataas na IQ mababa ang EQ nila. kaya nga daw mas tinitignan ang EQ ngayon kesa IQ..
DeleteMay he rest in peace. Meron pa lang British school manila
ReplyDeleteWhere are you?
DeletePang alta ateng!
DeleteYeah, doon din galing si Dominique Cojuangco. And if I'm not mistaken, kahit sina Divine Lee and yung bf niya, doon din nag-aral.
DeleteSa brent nag aral si divine di ba? Anon 12:44
DeleteOo, sa Brent pala. So I was mistaken nga. Pareho kasing BR ang simula.
DeleteTsaka si Venice & Lorin, dyan din ata. Ruffa's girls
Deleteirrelevant!
Deletepak!
Deleteakala ko sa ISM si dominique. ung katapat ng british school.
Deletehindi naman sa kinakampihan ko yung teacher pero for me ang babaw na dahilan ng nangyari para magpakamatay ha. mas maraming tao ang mas bonggang kahihiyan ang napagdaanan pero lumalaban pa rin. anyway, this is sad pa rin. lets pray na lang his soul and healing of his loved ones.
ReplyDeleteNot everyone has the same COPING ABILITIES, given na the boy is really smart, his ego and pride from excelling in everything wasn't able to adjust or suppress his emotions. For him to commit suicide must have been really depressing for him, it looks like he has no choice and options left. We cannot judge what he felt. We're not on his shoes. Each people has unique ways in adapting, he wasn't able to. Rest in peace. That teacher is a total shame.
Deleteto anon 12:47
DeleteYou should not blame the teacher...I myself was a victim of bullying when I was in high school. I'm female but still alive until this very moment. (I'm already 49). You are right, "we cannot judge what he felt," and this should also be pertained to the teacher himself/herself since you don't know what really happened. It's not only the teacher that shapes the personality of a student, but also his/her peers and importantly his /her family as well.
Kasi ang teacher dapat sumusuporta sa student hindi nanghihiya. Kaso ang inaalalayan lng ng teacher ay un paborito nila. Therapeutic and nurturing ang ideal na teacher.
Deletecorrect @ 12:47 AM. ang mababaw sa iba, malalim sa ilan. iba-iba tayo ng paghandle ng stress sa buhay natin. may mga taong madaling mag give up or mahirap maka cope up.
DeleteFor normal people i know you all think this is a petty issue. But for the victims of suicical thoughts, you will never imagine how much demons are trying to pull him down. Suicide awareness in this country is still poor. You all keep judging a victim as if you think its a "sosy problem" but its not.
DeleteDepende talaga sa tao,pero sana hndi NA maulit toh, kasi kasalan talaga sa taas ang kitilin ang sariling buhay mo. Hndi rin natin masisi ang parents, naghahanap din sila ng sagot sa mga tanong nila.. Sakit nyan. Condolence to the parents..
DeleteExactly so why blame other people just because some people have poor coping abilities? So strong people have to be on their toes all the time so as not to make the weaker ones feel bad? twisted logic
DeleteThat's good, they didn't show the face of the teacher in national television, because it's all assumptions and stuff, if they are really sure the teacher is the cause of the death of this kid, they would have had the guts to show or name the teacher. Don't blame anyone when they commit suicide, I have been bullied way more, or I have seen some of my friends been bullied and we have a really ordinary life, these rich kids they can't seem to handle even a bit of cruelty to them, they just kill themselves.
ReplyDeletenot showing the name of the teacher doesn't justify anything. For private reasons and decency reasons, I think they aren't showing it until the case has been formally filed and processed.
DeleteAy notice ko din yan. Usually pag galing ng alta mahina ang coping skills. Mukhang matibay at super confident pero pag tinesting na gumigiba.
DeleteKaya nga there are advantages for going to public schools. Doon mo malalaman kung gaano ka katibay at kung paano ka makikisalamuha sa ibang tao.
DeleteMukhang may proud alumni ng Monsay dito ha hehe. Nasa tao iyan, depende sa naturalesa niya. Maka push naman ng public. At saka sana nagseek siya ng help sa friends, family, professional counseling, kay God etc. Madaming options ang ating buhay. Sana kasi hindi parang taboo ang clinical depression dito sa atin. Plus tangalin ang pride, pagiging perfectionist. Seek help. Help yourself. - dating malungkutin ahehehe
DeleteAnon 2:59: May nabalitaan ka na bang nag suicide dahil napagalitan ng teacher nya sa public school? Karamihan sa magagaling na lawyers, doctors, nurses, teacher, etc, natin ay galing sa public schools.
Deletealam mo ba ang sinabi? e kung sinabi sa kanya na expelled na siya, na walang college na tatanggap sa kanya, na ipapahiya siya sa lahat ng kaklase niya? na wala na siyang future?
Deletee yun pala 15 mins detention lang pala ang parusa at dapat the parents were informed. sus. tagilid yang teacher na yan at skwelahan. lawyers will be falling over themselves trying to get this case.
Madaming cases ng suicide sa mga student, hindi lng narereport. Lalo na sa ganyang edad. Mas madami nga lng namamatay na lalaki dahil successful sila sa mga suicide attempts nila. Hindi panghuhusga na weak sila ang kelangan ng taong suicidal kung hindi pag unawa at pagmamahal. Mahirap kasi dito sa pinas, minamaliit ang mga may depression at nega na kapag narinig ng kapitbahay na nagpaconsult ka dahil sa depression.
DeleteI push nyo pa yang public schools nyo, wala sa school yan may iba iba tayong coping abilities.. tsaka scholar sya i think na depressed sya dahil sa kahihiyan na malantad na nga gawa nya i plagiarized..kaloka kayo maka push sa public school...
Delete- private beki honor student
4:07, meron din yan, di lang binabalita. Aske some public school teachers. Pls lang, wala sa school yan kung malakas coping capabilities mo o magiging successful ka sa career, nasa tao yan.
DeleteHate to burst your bubble and sound mean, pero most too prifessionals are from exclusive schools since HS pa lang. Get your facts straight
DeleteBihira namamatay sa suicide sa mga mahihirap. Kasi usually sa GUTOM sila namamatay. Lalo tayo 3rd world, walang maasahan sa gobyerno. Nganga!
Delete11.47, I know you're trying to make light of the topic by (trying) to be funny or clever, but it's kind of insensitive and inappropriate.
Delete4:07 i think marami din nagsuicide fr public schools, yun nga lang hindi nababalita. Its not about private vs public.
DeleteAnd to address your other point, madami din naman graduate of private schools ay CEOs, managers kagad, business owners, entrepreneurs. Aminin mo yan! Some companies if you are from dlsu or ateneo with impressive grades, manager kaagad. If you are from less popular schools with the same grades, pasok ka lang but you have to work your way up. Infairnez.
Bihira ang nagpapakamatay na mahirap dahil bata pa lang sila ay kailangan na nilang mamuhay sa problema paano makakain. Iba ang coping mechanisms ng mahihirap dahil alam nila ang hirap. Unlike those who have, they think its the end of the world cause they're not used to having a hard life. Theory ko lang naman yun and not to discriminate poor people.
DeleteMay naalaala ako taga UP nagsuicide dahil walang pang tuition. Mayroon pa HS student sa public nagaral nagsuicide din. Issue iyon dati kasi ayaw siya bigyan ng final rights ng church. Wala iyan sa school.
DeleteTama wala sa schools yan, pero mas madalas nagpapakamatay, eh yung matalino, mayaman!! Mas madalas sila tinatamaan ng depression. Yung mga mahihirap, depression nila pera!! Makain, pang aral!! Ang ratio ng nagpapakamatay sa mayayaman at mahirap 2:1 ang nakakalungkot lang sa pinas, pag may depression ka, may sapak ka na sa utak, sira na ulo mo, kaya nga dapat may mga kaibigan ka na mapagkakatiwaalan mo na masasabhan ng problma..
DeleteAng mahihirap pag depress at sagad na sila, kung hndi nag aamok, hostage, last talaga magpakamatay.. Sa mayaman, magpakamatay, alcohol, and basement!!
DeleteThe kid just lives in the same street as I am. I don't know him personally but it was said that the British teacher emotionally abused the kid by using harsh words. I think Liam got very scared and just decided to end his life.
ReplyDeleteSana naging magkaibigan kayo, baka sakali kung ikaw isa sa mga frends eh, napataas mo moral nya. Poor kid, so sorry for the parents.
DeleteAng gwapo pa namang bata. Sayang....
ReplyDeleteI hope they investigate further instead of putting all the blame on the teacher alone. How's the boy's relationship with his parents? Could it be that he was scared of the repercussions and how it will be taken by his parents? I think it's unfair to just blame the teacher altogether.
ReplyDeleteYan din ang iniisip ko, parang ang bilis naman niya mag decide to end his life. Halatang takot, based on this video yung mom niya mukha strong yung personality hindi man lang umiyak.
DeleteOpinion k lang po ito ha, i think maysdo mataas expectations ng parents, kaya sguro nung napag sabhan ng teacher, mukhang hndi kayang ma process ng emotion nya, kasi iniisip nya ayaw nya ma dissapoint ang parents nya..
DeleteSayang. We just don't know what went though his mind. For us with strong coping mechanisms, this action is deemed weak and shallow. But to those with very poor coping mechanisms, it's the only way out.
ReplyDeleteKaya nga dpat matuto tayong maging sensitive sa kapakanan ng mga mahal natin sa buhay. Matuto tayong makita ang mga senyales na maaring mapakamatay sila. Ang Panginoon ay maawain, nandun na sya sa piling nya.
DeleteThe teacher should have talked to the boy in private. She could have reprimanded him without resorting to public shaming.
ReplyDeleteUn nga dapat ang ginawa nila.
DeleteGanyan sana ang ginawa ng teacher. Kahit anong mali ang nagawa ng bata, hindi siya dapat hiyain! Yung teacher din may mali! Bakit nga ba may mga taong bully? May mali din sa pagpapalaki sa kanila?
Deletesuicide is a complex matter. people should not jump into conclusions. the family should examine his life first. he could be an achiever and appear to be happy but that cannot discount the fact that he was carrying a heavy burden. heavy enough to cause him to end his life. one single incident is not enough to push one to do this.
ReplyDeleteThe unbecoming of human starts in the schooL Nakakaloka ang eskwelahan mapa Private or public. So pag exclusive school teacher ang nambhbully pag public school student naman ang nambubully, ganun? Mal education na ba ang itinuturo sa Exclusive school?
ReplyDeleteActually you are wrong. The unbecoming of human starts in the home. Kasi ang home ang basic unit ng society. If this level of society palang hindi na maganda fpundation nya, mas mahihirapan sya sa outside world like school. so ang question dito, ano ang mga itinuro ng magulang sa kanya bago sya magschool.
Delete8:29 very well said. It starts sa home, family, parents. Yan ang magiging suppory system to face the outside world. School is just secondary.
DeleteThe unbecoming of human starts in the schooL Nakakaloka ang eskwelahan mapa Private or public. So pag exclusive school teacher ang nambhbully pag public school student naman ang nambubully, ganun? Mal education na ba ang itinuturo sa Exclusive school?
ReplyDeleteMay Public school ang ngbubully teacher.. dipende naman yun sa Teacher. at kung papano nya ihandle ang students nya. meron kasi mga Palaban na teacher na di rin marunong lumugar at prng kausap lng "kabarkada" Nakakalungkot lang may he rest in peace
DeletePublic school teacher : basahin mo to.
Deletegrade 1 (6years old) : nahihirapan magbasa..
Public school techer: Kinuha ang libro tinuktuk sa ulo
grade 1 student imbes na mag-basa umiyak
dahil siguro sa nasaktan, or napahiya sa harap ng madaming classmates na nag tawanan..
how do you feel for this?
I am sorry that he had to resort to taking his own life, but we cannot put all the blame on the teacher's shoulders! Someone doesn't go from being normal to committing suicide in just one day, c'mon. His decision was a result of several factors, possibly sustained over an extended period.
ReplyDeleteAgree.
DeleteAgree ako sa yo sis
Deletedepende sa sinabi sa bata.
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Deletetypical pinoy mentality: MAGHANAP NG MASISISI.
ReplyDeleteultimately it was the student's decision to take his own life. other people have bigger problems than being accused of plagiarizing something for school work.
what happened was sad but to say that it was the teacher's fault is preposterous.
I tend to agree with you 11.10 it's sad that he had to end his life but ultimately he did it to himself. It was a one off scolding not a prolonged one, he was probably too ashamed to admit to his family that he was a cheat. Can't see why they blame to the school for this.
Deletekung tinakot takot niya yung bata that the kid felt there was no future plus rules were not followed? absolutely, the teacher is to blame.
DeleteWag pong mapanghusga, ibat iba ang coping mechanism ng tao.
DeletePangalanan na yang teacher na yan.
ReplyDeleteThe teacher's a foreign national
Deleteso? amo mo siya? colonial mentality still rules.
DeleteNo need. Knowing Pinoys (online especially), mabubully din yan...
DeleteThe pressure of passing his IB could have contributed to this. Deadlines are coming up and these students are set to graduate soon. I don't think one would be foolish enough to plagiarise an essay. These essays go through a process and similarity percentages are looked at. The teacher could have just talked to him in private
ReplyDeleteschool's rules provide for 15min detention and to inform parents. teacher did not follow school's own rules.
DeleteAng gwafu pa namam.... And vito puyat is hot! Love his voice! ❤️❤️❤️
ReplyDeleteMarami talagang bully na teachers. Di lang students kundi kapwa teacher pa binully ng iba. But yeah, it would be very unfair kung sa teacher lang isisisi ang nangyari.
ReplyDeleteDapat may record din ang guidance nila ng tests kung masasabi ngang may suicidal tendency talaga yung bata kung nag-conduct man sila. Due process must be served to both parties.
exactly. may guidance test results that are available and which should be used by the teacher in dealing with students especially in something with serious repercussions.
DeleteThis is sad. I mean siguro naman lahat tayo naka experience ng ma bully or mang bully at some point in our lives. At the end of the day naman it still depends on how we cope up eh. Like ako I got bullied a lot lalo na when I was a kid because I walk with a limp.
ReplyDeleteYes affected din ako and it gets to me din but I realized that with this condition, I should
learn how to be strong and fight back. Kaya deadma ko na lang kayo lahat lol. Kaya we cannot really just blame someone for your circumstances. So I think in this case we cannot put the blame lang sa teacher. Marami namang factors yan na pwede sigurong naka trigger din or nakadagdag kung may suicidal tendencies talaga sya? Suicide is a very complex matter.
Sad lang. May his soul rests in peace.
it's not the usual bullying of "kakasa ka ba?" type. what happened to this kid is he was made to feel like there was no hope left; that all his options are closed. that was just the content, we have to find out how such was conveyed to him. it seems that he was shamed as well. sabit ang teacher and school diyan.
Delete1. plagiarism in high school. turuan mo mag quote or mag proper citation. kaya ka nga nandyan e para magturo and to guide these kids. plus you are teaching teenagers not filing a case of intellectual property violation. kung tratuhin mong criminal yung bata e parang you condemned him na. teaching is not criminal prosecution.
ReplyDelete2. follow your own rules. 15 min detention and inform parents.
3. as a teacher, you should not make your students world close in on him. you correct. you explain. you support. you encourage.
4. the school should let go of the teacher and settle this case asap. you are dealing with sensitive teenagers, your teacher did not follow protocol, and you hired her. nip this in the bud. the more this is goes on the worse it will be for you in PR terms and as a general distraction.
'yun din iniisip ko, ba't 'di sinunod ng teacher 'yung rule na 15 min detention and inform parents? TEACHER NA SIYA, 'DI PA NIYA ALAM ANG RULES? kailangan pa talagang ask forgiveness sa WHOLE school body? parang sadista 'ata 'yung teacher. plus, may iba rin daw na mga students na na-bully na rin nung teacher, takot lang silang magsalita.
DeleteSo why didn't he go to his parents for love and support? Clearly, there's something wrong there also. Just because its so easy to blame one party, it doesnt mean thats the right thing to do. It can't only be Ms. Mann, or Liam's Parent's fault... it is no one's. Really, blaming anyone will not bring him back.
DeleteI am one of Liam's classmates, and i know first hand that the school and Ms. Mann only ever cared for the well being of the students. It is interesting when i hear people say "he has died in vain" ... Liam didn't die for a cause except to rid himself from pain. Knowing Liam, had he survived his fall, he would kill himself all over again knowing about this mess his family and those involved had conjured up.
The absurdity of life is death-albert camus.
ReplyDeletepraying for the repose of his soul.
rest in peace with God
what exactly did the teacher do or say to liam? maybe they should have solid proof first that it was really the teacher's actions that pushed liam to kill himself before they start blame game.
ReplyDeleteAccording to the mom, ilan days daw hinde umuwi yung bata after he was reprimanded at school. Could it be that he was scared to go home and face his parents? Sure, it was probably wrong of the teacher to accuse him in front of his fellow students, but come on, teachers have to do what they have to do. This is BSM for crying out loud and most of the students here are very entitled. They need something to ground them when they are making mistakes. The bigger question is how is the kid's relationship to his family especially his parents. Minsan masyadong dinadamdam ng mga bata ang mistakes and failures nila because of how they are taken by the people around them. His family may be grieving but I hope naman na hinde sila maging unfair sa teacher.
ReplyDeleteI guess now we'll never know what prompted this boy to end his life. There could be a lot of things going on in his life. May he rest in peace.
Maybe sobra ang expectations ng parents sa bata kaya natakot o nahiya siyang ma-disappoint ang mga ito! Pero may contributing factor din ang ginawa ng teacher kung bakit naisip ng bata na mag-suicide. Sabihan ba naman ng teacher na he had to apologize not only to his classmates but to the entire school as well! Siempre malaking kahihiyan yun para sa bata a scholar pa naman! Kaya siguro di nakayanan ng bata ang dadanasing kahihiyan!
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DeleteTeachers have to do what they have to do, true. But more is expected from them than the common person, lalo na sa pangunawa and patience. While the kids in this school probably suffer from a high sense of entitlement, the teachers should know how to ground these kids without resorting to bullying. Teachers are human yes, and nauubusan din sila ng pasensya but it can't be denied that a lot of teachers nagpopower trip din. Imagine the teacher amidst a sea of pampered kids. Ang sagot diyan, the teacher should have been more self aware. Teaching is not a profession that happens by accident. Either you really want to pursue it or wala kang mapasukan na ibang trabaho (which wouldn't be the case for schools like the British school). So more is expected from a teacher because he/she is a teacher. The teacher can't hide under the argument na tao lang, just like priests/nuns/policemen/lawyers/public officials. Baliktarin ang mundo, that teacher will always have moral ascendancy over his/her students and this moral ascendancy closely resembles and even mimics the moral ascendancy parents have over their kids. So if you add being bullied by a person with that kind of power over you with being young and public humiliation - you never know how it's going to turn out.
there are rules, and the teacher herself didn't follow their rule when it comes to disciplining kids.
DeleteHow did the boy die? Paano siya nagsuicide?
ReplyDeleteBefore anyone persecutes the teacher, has anybody even ask about the psychological profile of the student. The plagiarism alone could not force anyone to take his life. There must be a lot of underlying issues that surrounded his death. What was the state of his mental health? In this time of grief it is easy to point a finger or blame a person for the loss. During my days as a student , there was a teacher who picked on me and made my life a living hell . It did not push me to the edge. It does not take a single event to make a person end his life.
ReplyDeleteIt's very clear that you don't understand what is depression. Kapag na depress ka it doesn't matter the reason mababaw man ang dahilan. Iba Iba ang impact nito sa tao, may mga nagpakamatay dahil hindi nabigay ng ng load sa cp ng magulang. Dito sa US plagiarism is a big crime lalo na sa school, maririndi tenga mo kaka explain ng prof kada subject mo how it will ruin your life
DeleteAgree. What about his family background? Pakamatay kagad? Di man lang nagsumbong sa mom/dad about the "bully" teacher? How is his relationship with his parents?
Delete5:38 pm please go to med school first before you comment, because I did. People who commit suicide have underlying psychiatric issues and IT IS IN COMBINATION WITH OTHER RISK FACTORS. Over 90% of people who die by suicide have UNTREATED clinical depression or another diagnosable mental disorder. STRESS is inherent in our daily lives. Suicide and suicidal behavior is not a normal response to stress. AS PER GRADE A CLINICAL STUDIES, It is very rare that someone dies by suicide because of one cause. MOST PATIENTS HAVE UNDERLYING CLINICAL DEPRESSION. IT IS EASY TO ACCUSE A PERSON AS BEING THE CAUSE OF DEATH, IT IS EASY TO POINT FINGERS BECAUSE IT IS ALSO THE EASIEST THING TO DO. The fact that the family did not even notice any worrying SIGNS OR SYMPTOMS, it seems that the child did not have any adequate social support system in place. THE OTHER FACTOR IS THAT teenage years are among the most difficult years of life , pressures that are put on the modern teenager can be overwhelming, as can the additional expectations from adults and peers alike. Some teenagers are not equipped to adequately handle these pressures without help.
DeleteHaving a strong social support or network helps which is basically ONE'S FAMILY. While some teenagers thrive in such COMPETETIVE environment, others can't handle the pressure.
It is important FOR PARENTS to make it CLEAR that while you are proud of accomplishments, they do not form the basis of your love for the child. PARENTS should let their children know that they are willing to help, and that it is not necessary to try and do everything. The very fact that he never opened up to his family, is quite questionable unless the family knows something yet did not do anything about it or they are just looking for a scapegoat for failing their child. It is totally wrong to crucify the teacher just because the whole village failed a child.
Parents pa din ang dapat sisihin sa kahinaan ng bata na paglaban sarili nya. Binubully lahat tayo at some point in our lives. Kung may nakakausap yan sa bahay, nanay nya, kapatid nya, etc.hindi yan magpapakamatay. Saka yung faith din sa dyos, mangagaling din sa magulang.
ReplyDeleteMay mga bata din kasing takot mag-open up. The could possibly be unapproachable too. Either ways, sa panahon ngayon dapat magaling na tayo bumasa ng tao.
DeleteParents either should not be blamed entirely. Malaki na ung biktima. May utak na at supposedly matalino. It was his decision to take his life. And if he is indeed a good child, he himself wouldn't want anyone to blame his parents for what he did.
DeleteReputasyon kasi bilang iskolar ang at stake. Graduating pa naman sya. Malaking kahihiyan nga naman kung maakusahan sya ng plagiarism tapos pinag-aapologize pa sa buong eskwelahan! Dapat hindi sobrang naging harsh yug teacher! Hindi pa nga napapatunayan kug talagang plagiarized yung ginawangessay nung bata! Mismong mga classmates nagpapatunay na talagang matalino daw yung bata! Dapat kinausap na lang talaga ng teacher in private!
Deletesuicide is taken seriously..especially if there are signs prior to commiting it...it can be prevented if intervention has been implemented..depression/hopelessness/drugs/previous attempts/mental illness are few factors of suicide..malamang sobrang takot ng batang ito that lead him to kill himself..sayang sana may nakausap sana sya before he did it bka buhay pa sya hanngang ngayon..worldwide suicide attempts are 2 or 3rd reason for mortality..dami nagpapakamatay..the youngest ive heard was 5 years old in the US
ReplyDeleteMay mga teachers/professors talaga na bullies. Feeling high and mighty. Feeling nila hawak nila sa leeg ang mga estudyante! Even sa place of work mero din lalo pag baguhan ka. Ang mga ganitong klase ng tao ang may diprensya sa pag-iisip! Sila dapat ang mag-seek ng professional help!
ReplyDeleteAMEN. feeling yata nung teacher p'wede siyang maghari-harian sa school nila. may god complex siguro...
DeleteSometimes when teachers is very frustrated and angry they lashed out! They say words with or with out their knowledge na nakakainsulto at nakakababa ng self-esteem ng student. Minsan kasi paggalit na sila, they can say whatever they want specially thru my experience in highschool and elementary. We had a teacher during grade-school na everyday kung magalit. We know na may mali kami but everytime na lang ba even through smallest things? Ang bigat kaya sa pakiramdam ang laging ganun, instead na gaganahan kang mag-aral bumababa ang self-esteem and interest ng student. Remember, gradeschool and highschool doon palang nadedevelope ang pag-iisip ng mga student, state of maturity is still on process. Parents and teachers should be careful on guiding them at this stages.
ReplyDeleteI don't think yung pambubully lang ng teacher ang tanging reason ng pagcommit niya ng suicide.. maaaring may hinaharap na siyang problema na kinikimkim then nag trigger lang yung pambubully kaya ginawa niya ang pagpapakamatay...
ReplyDeleteLets pray for him and hia family na naiwan nya
ReplyDeleteLately may nga news about suicide Or baka.di na nababalita
Guilty ako.sa.suicidal thoughts na yan,
In way older than the boy pero sana.may nakausap or nakapag open up man sya,baka kahit paano ,gumaan ang dinadala nya,baka nabanggit lang niya recently ang about sa teacher nya, pero baka may iba pang dahilan
Pinsan ko during.her. HS years
Committed suicide, she survived ,akala namin bf nya may fault ,iyon pala mom nya,si tita kasi nagger daw and strict,nasasakal sya masyado that time..
And if someone tells you that he or she is depressed or sad lagi
ReplyDeleteKausapin,encourage sila
May warning signs na.siguro pero ,maaaring di Napansin or ipinagsawalang.bahala
Im not blaming the family nor friends though
We all have our own Problems or issues, and we Have our ways To solve these things.
poor boy
Condolence to the family
R.I.P Liam
ReplyDelete(hirap itago ... ang guwapo ni Vito!)
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Deleteisa rin akong victim third year school student 14 yeard old pinagsalitaan ako ng guro ng masasakit na sa salita "gustong gusto raw nya akong sabunutan " oras ng klase walang ginawa kundi ako patawagin para lang tanungin ang personal life hindi man lang ako pinakinggan sa aking explanation masyado ako tinorture pinahiya ng teacher at ng guidance pinapasa dyos n ko n lang kayo sa ginawa ninyo sa akin kailangan kong maging matatag para sa aking magulang
ReplyDeleteRest in peace Liam, may God forgive you and give your soul a rest. And for the teacher who had shamed you and gave you that feeling of hopelessness, may she find It in her heart to be more understanding and considerate to her students specially on matters of academic misdemeanors. As a teacher you have all the authority over your students, and may you use it for the better molding of your students character and that includes compassion and empathy. Social pressures, it's the leading teen killer in the world by committing suicide, it should be stopped. No matter how the parents guide their children as good as they can....it will all be wasted by people who put a halt on someone'S life by too much degradation and humiliation ....that's is social cruelty. Some may take it by passing and charge it to experience but unfortunately others can't. We shouldn't blame them because that is who they are.... A little respect for he dead student people, he's gone and no one from the people who have made him hopeless can undone what he did to his precious life, he was still young and inexperienced still trying to make his own identity. Sadly it was cut short....because he wasn't that strong. Don't blame him for being weak in handling his personal dilemmas, we we're not In his shoes when he was feeling extremely down. We don't know how he felt, empathy my friends that's what the teacher lacks and most of you here. May God forgive you for judging this boy, for blaming him instead of praying for the peace of his soul.
ReplyDeleteHe was threatened, bullied and humiliated. Most of you here are fortunately strong enough to cope and pls stop comparing the other person from the another.
ReplyDeleteIt was a draft. Not the final submission. A time to fix problems is during the review of the draft phase. The teacher did not act appropriately.
ReplyDeleteI am a teacher. I have come across teachers who are nasty and have it in for certain kids. It sounds to me like this teacher went too far and was a bully. I am not blaming her for the suicide of the boy but it looks bad that she resigned and did not even have the decency to return and explain her side of the story. It looks to me like she ran away. The school should be rightly condemned too. The Principal should resign. He should not allow a teacher to make an example of a student like that.
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