Hindi mo naman talaga pwedeng sabihin na accident kung umpisa pa lang alam mong delikado.. kaya diko maintindihan ung mga nagtatangol pa sa coach.. sinadya nyang pinahamak mga tao nya just to build team spirit kuno..
Reaort might also be held accountable. D kasi sya accident per se kasi alam mo na may dangers s mga players eh simabak mo sila dun. Tapos the fact na dati ng may nangyaring muntik malunod di k pa dn nadala??? May mga artificial waves naman na pool in resorts na pwede nila rent.
Pag sa dagat ba nangyari ang accident may pananagutan pa rin ang resort? Ang pagkakaalam ko kasi kung sa property mismo nangyari, yun pa baka accountable ang resort. Eh hindi naman nila property yung dagat diba? Honest question
300 meters away sa resort ang pinangyarihan. So malabong madamay ang resort plus nag pa interview agad sila na inabisuhan nila at di sila nagkulang sa paalala na mapanganib sa dagat na yun at marami na namatat dun pero di nakinig ang coach
nag advise ang resort na hindi. allowed ang 300m away from shore etong mga nalunod nasa 700m na kaya nga hindi counted aksidente sinara nga resort now kahit di sila nagkulang sa paalala sa mga coach and team manager sinabihan silang wag makialam 😓
fyi lumayo ang ateneo team nung training, beyond the resort’s supervision & didn’t follow the rules / warnings sign ng resort.. wala din ni request na naka abang na rescue team kahit delikado
Nasa news na nag sabi na nag resort na bawal mag swimming sa area na yun, may mga warning signs pa nga pero pinilit pa din ng coach na yan at wala man lang mga medic na nag aabang kung talagang may care siya sa mga ito
Sa mga nagsabi na sinaway sila ng resort pero hindi nagpa pigil. Then ano ang next step ng resort pag may ganong mga guest? Hindi ba dapat tumawag na ng pulis or barangay? May proseso po kase ang mga bagay bagay.. hindi dahil sinaway sila ng guest eh bahala na sila..
Why are people trying to pin the Resort? Lol. Tapos meron pang nagsasabing dapat daw may follow up sa pasaway na guest. Lol. Ummm. Hindi na kasalanan nang Resort kung yung well-informed guests decided to choose to do whatever they wanted.
Every year may ganito may team building sila based sa ibang players deadly talaga. Now lang may nanyari. Ginagawa nila ganyan para maging close players kasi near death na then magtulungang kayo para ma save isat isa. Literal Team building talaga. Kawawa Rene and Divine and family nila.
You cannot put people at risk like that in the name of team building. And if ever na gawin nila yan, kailangan ng safeth features - medic, rescue teams - dapat na andiyan na. Ifnits deadly, all the more na dapat may control sila sa site. Wala eh. Ang Ateneo admin naman, wala rin silang oversight. Kahit na ganun na nangyayari, hinahayaan nila.
Kung di pala kaya buwis sarili buhay nun mga coach to rescue the kids, why bring them there in the 1st place and put their lives at risk? Walang mga floaters or anything readily available for rescue. Dumbf@!#s!
Pwede nmang team building na hindi pwedeng ikamatay. Marami sa kanila hindi marunong lumangoy at may rip currents pala tapos sinabihan lang sila ng coach kung paano lumangoy kapay may currents. Nakakaloka. Worst of all, yung responder nila shunga!
It is a confluence of bad decisions and lack of due diligence from the hiring of the red flag coach to lack in ministerial management and oversight on the part of Ateneo admin. Even after all the risky incidents, they let the practice be. They did not even consider the risk of the site na talagang grabe ang riptides. Even the locals avoid it. Naturally, it was not an accident. It was a purposeful act of recklessness.
So si Kiefer Ravena ba nag undergo din ng ganyan? Gusto kong malaman kung yung mga high profile players eh pinagagawa din ng mga ganyan or yung mga tipong mabababa lang ang pinagttripan ni coach?
Important sa mga players maging safe dahil investment nila katawan. Isang injury mo lang tutuloy na yun na injury . Bonus siguro ang gusto ng team staff pag nanalo. Sana nagtraining rin sila. Yabang pa na pinaparesign nyo yung sa Uste coach si AA na sinama team nya sa hometown nya nung Covid era. Parehas pala naman kayo ng style. hazing na training.
Pag ganito ang kinalabasan ng lmbestigasyon malaking pera ang matatanggap ng pamilya ng 2 namatay. Harinawa makarating ang pera sa tamgn pamilya nong kasama nha na tiga Africa.
It's important to force Ateneo to stop activities like this. Hindi naman kailangan near death experience para maging team building. Risking the lives of their students ON PURPOSE every year should never have been allowed.
pa oa ng pa oa. may intent to kill ganern? di makatotohanan. please lang alam kong nakakagalit pero sana wag na gagawa ng maling paratang para makisabay sa masa.
Ang obvious naman na pinahamak sila. An accident is something na hindi inaasahan. Yung kahit nag ingat kayo e napahamak pa din. Dito para silang pinasok sa lion's den and let's see kung may mangyayari.
May mas o-oa pa ba sa 2 namatay ng dahil lang sa team building? The police are conducting thorough investigation at hindi yan “maling paratang lang” noh. Wait ka lang sa evidence and we will see
Educate yourself 1:46 hindi kailangang may intent to kill for CIDG to conclude it was not an accident. Pwedeng it was gross negligence leading to manslaughter
You dont get it...no need for intent, reckless imprudence. Alam nila ang risk, pero sige pa rin. That is reckless. The riptides were so obvious. Its a deadly situation.
Not the intent to kill, but the fact that the coaching staff was aware of how dangerous that beach is and still failed to have rescuers or medics on standby. There is clear negligence on their part. Kung sa States pa iyan, hindi aabot sa ganyan katagal ang usapin. Kasalanan talaga ng coaching team iyan dahil during their activity, namatay hindi lang isa kundi dalawa. Ang di nyo ma gets regardless if it was accident, may pananagutan ang kung sino man ang nagdala sa mga players don sa Aurora.
Tumigil ka wag makisabay sa masa! sana may medic doon kung walang intent to kill, nag warning na ang mga locals kahit ang resort na wag mag swim ng ganon kalayo at sa area na yun pinilit pa din hindi ba intent to kill yun? Ano pala yun laro laro lang sa tubig?
Comprehension is absent sayo. Read RA 365. Ni need for intent as long as the actions based on wilful negligence resulted to death. All circumstances point to this.
Intent to kill in the sense na putting people in dangerous situation just to teach them camaraderie and brotherhood.. so in short pa hazing levels.. ilalagay ang mga bata sa delikado o life threatening na situation na ang gusto ma achieve eh masurvive nila yung ng sama sama para mas maging deep ang relationship nila sa isat isa kase nga may common situation sila na napagtagumpayan.. ayan tagalog na baka di mo pa naintindihan..
Because why not? Akala ko din prestige school ang Ateneo pero hanggang ngayon nag iisa pa rin c Adili at wala yung pamilya nya maski ang tagal na nyang nakalamay. May training kuno pero bopols yung mga rescuer na standby, ni hindi afford ang totoong nurse. Pina stop yung cpr kasi gusto isugod na sa ospital, hello dapat kasuhan din yung babaeng rescuer eh.
Daming school pero hindi lahat namatayan.. i remember UST went thru somewhat same situation nung may namatay sa ROTC.. pero un kase murder levels talaga..
may nafeature na sa KMJS na ganito sa public school sa province... yung trainor/coach din kasama ng mga bata nalunod sa ilog. pero wala naman public rage.... of course this is ateneo eh and tingin nila may malaking pera sila na mapapala....
1:17 because it is Ateneo, they are held in higher esteem, one of the best universities in the country - matalino at mayayaman ang nag aaral. Ikompara mo coaching team na yan sa coach ng isang mababang paaralan sa isang maliit na bayan sa Leyte. Ateneo should know better. Holding them to account creates deterrent example for the rest of the schools/colleges/universities and sports teams in the country. Professionals na ang team nila, coaches are paid in the millions (with bonus). Then ganito pala sila ka reckless? Ka dangerous?
It’s definitely not accident. It was negligence. Dapat ung coaching team did due diligence sa area and took the risks seriously. Masyado silang naging kampante at di sineryoso ang banta ng rip current. I don’t think there was intent to kill the players. Pero more on kapabayaan sa part ng coaches. Of all places, sa dipaculao pa tlga. Andami daming signages din na nakalagay na danger zone. Sinabihan din sila ng resort na wag lalayo sa pampang pero lumayo pa din. Tas isa lang ang life guard. Wala man lang medics. Wala ding life vest. Kapabayaan tlga!
Omg. This finding hurts even more. Kawawa talaga itong dalawang bata. Ginagalingan nila sa sports nila for their families pero ganito ang nangyari. Nawala sila sa kamay ng mga taong maiitim ang budhi na may masamang intensyon sa puso nila. Dapat maparusahan ang mga taong yan! Justice for Rene and Divine!
Bakit walang life vests!!!! Napakabasic niyan lalo na pag malakas ang alon at may riptides. Walang bouy din. Nasa 'wilds' na sila na di rin nilalanguyan ng mga taga andun. The locals know best - the guard and the resort told them its dangerous pero jinalewala lang ng coaching team at ni Baldwin. Wala silang risk mitigatio nd health and dafety protocols! Walang medics, ramang bilang mg lifeguard at kayak o bangka man lamang na nakastandby. Reckless, negligent, verging on criminal. Deadly combination.
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Hindi mo naman talaga pwedeng sabihin na accident kung umpisa pa lang alam mong delikado.. kaya diko maintindihan ung mga nagtatangol pa sa coach.. sinadya nyang pinahamak mga tao nya just to build team spirit kuno..
ReplyDeleteReaort might also be held accountable. D kasi sya accident per se kasi alam mo na may dangers s mga players eh simabak mo sila dun. Tapos the fact na dati ng may nangyaring muntik malunod di k pa dn nadala??? May mga artificial waves naman na pool in resorts na pwede nila rent.
Delete233 pinagsasabi mong pati resort nagparenta lang sila ng lugar at di sila involved sa mga pinaggagawa ng team 😂
DeletePag sa dagat ba nangyari ang accident may pananagutan pa rin ang resort? Ang pagkakaalam ko kasi kung sa property mismo nangyari, yun pa baka accountable ang resort. Eh hindi naman nila property yung dagat diba? Honest question
Delete300 meters away sa resort ang pinangyarihan. So malabong madamay ang resort plus nag pa interview agad sila na inabisuhan nila at di sila nagkulang sa paalala na mapanganib sa dagat na yun at marami na namatat dun pero di nakinig ang coach
DeleteOh no, the resort's security guard will be found guilty :D :D :D
ReplyDeleteWell. Technically. The resort is also liable. Dapat nasaway nila yung mga yun lalo na aware sila sa rip tides..
DeleteMga atenista mga yan sa tingin mo makikikig mga yan sa resort owner. Baka dinaan pa sa angas mga coach feeling high and mighty kase
Deletenag advise ang resort na hindi. allowed ang 300m away from shore
Deleteetong mga nalunod nasa 700m na kaya nga hindi counted aksidente
sinara nga resort now kahit di sila nagkulang sa paalala sa mga coach and team manager
sinabihan silang wag makialam 😓
fyi lumayo ang ateneo team nung training, beyond the resort’s supervision & didn’t follow the rules / warnings sign ng resort.. wala din ni request na naka abang na rescue team kahit delikado
Delete12:21 Sinaway sila ng resort to stay in the safe zone pero ayaw paawat. Gusto talaga ng coach pahirapan players nya.
DeleteNasa news na nag sabi na nag resort na bawal mag swimming sa area na yun, may mga warning signs pa nga pero pinilit pa din ng coach na yan at wala man lang mga medic na nag aabang kung talagang may care siya sa mga ito
DeleteI think they went far away from the resort?
DeleteSa mga nagsabi na sinaway sila ng resort pero hindi nagpa pigil. Then ano ang next step ng resort pag may ganong mga guest? Hindi ba dapat tumawag na ng pulis or barangay? May proseso po kase ang mga bagay bagay.. hindi dahil sinaway sila ng guest eh bahala na sila..
DeleteYes 300 meters away
DeleteWhy are people trying to pin the Resort? Lol. Tapos meron pang nagsasabing dapat daw may follow up sa pasaway na guest. Lol. Ummm. Hindi na kasalanan nang Resort kung yung well-informed guests decided to choose to do whatever they wanted.
DeleteEvery year may ganito may team building sila based sa ibang players deadly talaga. Now lang may nanyari. Ginagawa nila ganyan para maging close players kasi near death na then magtulungang kayo para ma save isat isa. Literal Team building talaga. Kawawa Rene and Divine and family nila.
ReplyDeleteYou cannot put people at risk like that in the name of team building. And if ever na gawin nila yan, kailangan ng safeth features - medic, rescue teams - dapat na andiyan na. Ifnits deadly, all the more na dapat may control sila sa site. Wala eh. Ang Ateneo admin naman, wala rin silang oversight. Kahit na ganun na nangyayari, hinahayaan nila.
DeleteKung di pala kaya buwis sarili buhay nun mga coach to rescue the kids, why bring them there in the 1st place and put their lives at risk? Walang mga floaters or anything readily available for rescue. Dumbf@!#s!
DeletePwede nmang team building na hindi pwedeng ikamatay. Marami sa kanila hindi marunong lumangoy at may rip currents pala tapos sinabihan lang sila ng coach kung paano lumangoy kapay may currents. Nakakaloka. Worst of all, yung responder nila shunga!
Deletewow..it gettin more and more interesting. grabe tlga. dapat may managot.
ReplyDeleteIt’s an accident waiting to happen.
ReplyDeletereckless!! they should know better since ilang years na sila nag-train ng young athletes
DeleteTRAGEDY waiting to happen, poor kids for losing their life.
Deletenasobrahan ng tiwala yung coach sa capacity ng mga bata...
DeleteIt is a confluence of bad decisions and lack of due diligence from the hiring of the red flag coach to lack in ministerial management and oversight on the part of Ateneo admin. Even after all the risky incidents, they let the practice be. They did not even consider the risk of the site na talagang grabe ang riptides. Even the locals avoid it. Naturally, it was not an accident. It was a purposeful act of recklessness.
ReplyDeleteSo si Kiefer Ravena ba nag undergo din ng ganyan? Gusto kong malaman kung yung mga high profile players eh pinagagawa din ng mga ganyan or yung mga tipong mabababa lang ang pinagttripan ni coach?
ReplyDelete2016 yata sya nag start sa Ateneo, last year na ni Kiefer nun. Not sure if they had this “training” at that time.
DeleteI doubt he'll say something, pati si Chris Tiu. Yung ganyang profile nga kaya na angkan ng mayayaman, kaya kaya nila ipahamak ng tulad ng ginawa nila?
Delete12:48 hi ses. Feeling ko ka-generation kita. Lol. Chris Tiu - Kiefer Ravena gen ako. I doubt meron nyan sa Ateneo nung panahon nila.
DeleteJustice for Rene and Divine!
ReplyDeleteImportant sa mga players maging safe dahil investment nila katawan. Isang injury mo lang tutuloy na yun na injury . Bonus siguro ang gusto ng team staff pag nanalo. Sana nagtraining rin sila. Yabang pa na pinaparesign nyo yung sa Uste coach si AA na sinama team nya sa hometown nya nung Covid era. Parehas pala naman kayo ng style. hazing na training.
ReplyDeletePag ganito ang kinalabasan ng lmbestigasyon malaking pera ang matatanggap ng pamilya ng 2 namatay. Harinawa makarating ang pera sa tamgn pamilya nong kasama nha na tiga Africa.
ReplyDeleteMore than the money, they need justice. Managot ang dapat managot.
DeleteDivine is from Nigeria not Africa
DeleteDude, Nigeria is a country in Africa. Africa is a continent
DeleteGet your facts straight before you comment
DeleteIt's important to force Ateneo to stop activities like this. Hindi naman kailangan near death experience para maging team building. Risking the lives of their students ON PURPOSE every year should never have been allowed.
ReplyDeleteTerrible...
ReplyDeletepa oa ng pa oa. may intent to kill ganern? di makatotohanan. please lang alam kong nakakagalit pero sana wag na gagawa ng maling paratang para makisabay sa masa.
ReplyDeletewalang ganun sinabi, paki ulit sa news
DeleteAng obvious naman na pinahamak sila. An accident is something na hindi inaasahan. Yung kahit nag ingat kayo e napahamak pa din. Dito para silang pinasok sa lion's den and let's see kung may mangyayari.
DeleteMay mas o-oa pa ba sa 2 namatay ng dahil lang sa team building? The police are conducting thorough investigation at hindi yan “maling paratang lang” noh. Wait ka lang sa evidence and we will see
DeleteAgree
DeleteEducate yourself 1:46 hindi kailangang may intent to kill for CIDG to conclude it was not an accident. Pwedeng it was gross negligence leading to manslaughter
DeleteYou dont get it...no need for intent, reckless imprudence. Alam nila ang risk, pero sige pa rin. That is reckless. The riptides were so obvious. Its a deadly situation.
DeleteNot the intent to kill, but the fact that the coaching staff was aware of how dangerous that beach is and still failed to have rescuers or medics on standby. There is clear negligence on their part. Kung sa States pa iyan, hindi aabot sa ganyan katagal ang usapin. Kasalanan talaga ng coaching team iyan dahil during their activity, namatay hindi lang isa kundi dalawa. Ang di nyo ma gets regardless if it was accident, may pananagutan ang kung sino man ang nagdala sa mga players don sa Aurora.
DeleteTumigil ka wag makisabay sa masa! sana may medic doon kung walang intent to kill, nag warning na ang mga locals kahit ang resort na wag mag swim ng ganon kalayo at sa area na yun pinilit pa din hindi ba intent to kill yun? Ano pala yun laro laro lang sa tubig?
DeleteComprehension is absent sayo. Read RA 365. Ni need for intent as long as the actions based on wilful negligence resulted to death. All circumstances point to this.
DeleteIntent to kill to make you stronger, build character if you survive
DeleteIntent to kill in the sense na putting people in dangerous situation just to teach them camaraderie and brotherhood.. so in short pa hazing levels.. ilalagay ang mga bata sa delikado o life threatening na situation na ang gusto ma achieve eh masurvive nila yung ng sama sama para mas maging deep ang relationship nila sa isat isa kase nga may common situation sila na napagtagumpayan.. ayan tagalog na baka di mo pa naintindihan..
DeleteI dont think so. CIDG ayusin nyo yan. Basketball players magpapatayan?
ReplyDeleteDo you not understand? Its reckless imprudence. No need for intent.
Delete1:47 ay, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed
Delete1:47 not the brightest color in the crayon box.. more on walang silbe.. tulog mo na lang yan..
Deleteso safe ang dipaculao beach??!!
ReplyDeleteParang hindi kasi may R.I.P current daw e
DeleteDAMING SCHOOL BAKIT ATENEO PA?????
ReplyDeleteDAHIL PRESTIGE SCHOOL?🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Because why not? Akala ko din prestige school ang Ateneo pero hanggang ngayon nag iisa pa rin c Adili at wala yung pamilya nya maski ang tagal na nyang nakalamay. May training kuno pero bopols yung mga rescuer na standby, ni hindi afford ang totoong nurse. Pina stop yung cpr kasi gusto isugod na sa ospital, hello dapat kasuhan din yung babaeng rescuer eh.
Deletedahil may namatay … ok ka lang?
DeleteDaming school pero hindi lahat namatayan.. i remember UST went thru somewhat same situation nung may namatay sa ROTC.. pero un kase murder levels talaga..
Deletemay nafeature na sa KMJS na ganito sa public school sa province... yung trainor/coach din kasama ng mga bata nalunod sa ilog. pero wala naman public rage.... of course this is ateneo eh and tingin nila may malaking pera sila na mapapala....
Delete1:17 because it is Ateneo, they are held in higher esteem, one of the best universities in the country - matalino at mayayaman ang nag aaral. Ikompara mo coaching team na yan sa coach ng isang mababang paaralan sa isang maliit na bayan sa Leyte. Ateneo should know better. Holding them to account creates deterrent example for the rest of the schools/colleges/universities and sports teams in the country. Professionals na ang team nila, coaches are paid in the millions (with bonus). Then ganito pala sila ka reckless? Ka dangerous?
DeleteIt was also clear that most of the players don't know how to swim so why still push through with that water activity????
ReplyDeleteThe coach and the coaching staff should be held accountable.
Yung nagpatigil talaga mag cpr eh. Pag yun naconfirm na pwede pa mabuhay nung nakuha sila sa dagat..lagot si ate.
ReplyDeleteIt’s definitely not accident. It was negligence. Dapat ung coaching team did due diligence sa area and took the risks seriously. Masyado silang naging kampante at di sineryoso ang banta ng rip current. I don’t think there was intent to kill the players. Pero more on kapabayaan sa part ng coaches. Of all places, sa dipaculao pa tlga. Andami daming signages din na nakalagay na danger zone. Sinabihan din sila ng resort na wag lalayo sa pampang pero lumayo pa din. Tas isa lang ang life guard. Wala man lang medics. Wala ding life vest. Kapabayaan tlga!
ReplyDeleteJustice for Rene and Divine!
ReplyDeleteyes… hindi porke’t hindi mayaman family nila eh ganun ganun na lang.
DeleteOmg. This finding hurts even more. Kawawa talaga itong dalawang bata. Ginagalingan nila sa sports nila for their families pero ganito ang nangyari. Nawala sila sa kamay ng mga taong maiitim ang budhi na may masamang intensyon sa puso nila. Dapat maparusahan ang mga taong yan! Justice for Rene and Divine!
ReplyDeleteWALANG DILIGENCE OF A GOOD FATHER OF A FAMILY ang coach and the coaching staff so they are certainly liable.
ReplyDeleteBakit walang life vests!!!! Napakabasic niyan lalo na pag malakas ang alon at may riptides. Walang bouy din. Nasa 'wilds' na sila na di rin nilalanguyan ng mga taga andun. The locals know best - the guard and the resort told them its dangerous pero jinalewala lang ng coaching team at ni Baldwin. Wala silang risk mitigatio nd health and dafety protocols! Walang medics, ramang bilang mg lifeguard at kayak o bangka man lamang na nakastandby. Reckless, negligent, verging on criminal. Deadly combination.
ReplyDelete