Pero may point yung commenter, kung may guidance at faith matatakot talaga ang tao gumawa ng ganyang kasi naka imprint na sa utak nila that it is a sin. Aminin natin, faith really helps sa mga depressed na tao. It somehow clears your mind, may role talaga sya. Ang point ni Kuya Kim is about science the other one is spiritual.
I disagree with you. feeling righteous as if he knows the scripture but saying those things to a grieving father makes me think he doesnt know God. His words doesnt show kindness, respect nor compasion.
I am a devout Christian and at the same time a nurse. I work with mental health patients. Please stop saying if you have faith, hindi dapat mangyari. Their brain is wired differently.
People still engage in premarital sex, adultery, gambling - just to give examples. Andami kong kilalang makasalanan na palasimba. May guidance & faith din naman 'tong mga taong ito.
I'm not saying I'm perfect either ha.
Dun sa minention kong examples - people are fully aware that they are sinning. Your statement "naka imprint na sa utak nila that it is a sin" is no longer applicable then.
Na-clinically diagnose ka ba ng depression? You wouldn't understand if you're not. Ang dali kasing sabihin pray pray pray.
sana compassion na lang for the grieving parents... favorite song ko, Let me Be the Bearer of Your Love - Bukaspalad.... it sums up the Christian faith for me... maski kabisado mo po bible verses... bale wala if walang love... love is kind...
Base sa experience imbis na party party at socializing sa mga high end gatherings dapat nagfarming, livestock raising at cleaning dahil yun ang therapy dahil ang makukuha lang sa una e more emptiness at loneliness pag wala na yung high nung momentarily fun at escape
Grabe naman itong mga holier than thou SOAB na ito. Naghahanap lang ng masisisi. Anxiety or depression clouds judgment. Wag naman tang@. People with anxiety or depression aren't thinking 💯 clearly. May mga bagay kang magagawa pag depressed ka na hindi mo magagawa o gagawin pag hindi Klka depressed. Walang pagkakaiba yan sa Schizophrenia halimbawa na mental illness din. When a person hears voices. So kasalanan ng magulang na Schizophrenic ang anak? In the same way na kasalanan ba ng magulang na depressed ang anak? Sarap murahin ng mga ganito. Sa tingin ba nila walk in the park yun nangyari sa pamilya? They're in pain and suffering beyond imagination. Tapos etong mga banal na aso eh magtatatahol na lang.
Kung Hindi nyo naiinyindihan,then pls don't be quick to pass judgement on them.let their god be their judge Kase Sha lang Ang may karapatan at nakakakilala sa puso nila.masakit na nga ung nangyari,Hindi nakakatulong ung ganyang salita..
At 12:12 not true. People who wants to die make it happen. Most of them have good support system at home. I beg to disagree with that. Let me tell you a case of our patient who is terminally ill with new diagnosis of cancer. He passed all his depression/suicide screening. He called his friend and asked him to grab his duffel bag at home and bring it in the hospital for him. It was a good visit then the friend left. At bedtime when nurses were not rounding much anymore, a gunshot was heard. looked room to room and found him dead with self inflicted gunshot wound. You can’t say he is not a good person. You can’t say his friend was wrong. He was depressed. He tried to hide it because he had a plan all this time. Is it the nurses fault because he died? Is it his friend’s fault for being the duffle bag that’s why he died? Or is it his fault because he made a choice to kill hinself? Same question for Emman. You have no right to blame it on anyone. Chemical imbalances happen and unfortunately, even taking their own life can happen too. So please be kind. Just listen. Keep your judgement to your group chat. Wag sa public where her bereaved family and friends can read this nasty comment and blame themselves and another demise might happen.
My son is clinically depressed..therapy , gamot ,naka work from home Ako para maalalayan lahat ng love ,prayers , lahat ng support andyan kami pero may suicidal attempts pa rin. Wala kang alam holier than thou kaya manhimik ka
I know some of you may not agree, pero hindi ba kayo nanunuod ng mga interviews ng mga clinically nadiagnosed ng depression? Some of them mention kasi na thru faith kaya sila kumakapit, or thru faith kaya nila nalampasan. May mga depression naman kasi manageable. Ang point kasi malay natin na it could work on her, cause it worked on others.
True. i have a schizophrenic sister and my dad never abandoned her. He took care of her the best of his ability and kneeled to God every night to protect my sister. She is now currently in the US with my mom, still in meds and stable.
1212 self righteous much? Please dont be blinded by close minded beliefs and use critical thinking. have sympathy for a father who just lost his daughter.
Poor kuya Kim. People are blaming him for not knowing. Can we be sensitive and have sympathy for once? It didnt help na publicize ang cause of death. Pero still give them privacy
10:09 and 3:02 understandable but we should also know n parents should let their children/child be on their own. To let their wings fly. Kahit mahirap for a parent/s ito, they need to do it eventually. Kailangan din mg mga bata n tumayo on their own for their own growth.
Kim, ang buhay weather weather lang. Most of the time, baka di mo Rin alam na self-righteous din ang dating mo sa mga pinag sasabi mo... Feeling "know-it-all".. Kapag ikaw tinamaan, bully na... Yun nga ang point, Her FAITH with your close guidance could have possibly helped her.. Aminin mo na na the "neglect" the child suffered as a child na inamin mo rin pinag sisihan mo, plays a great role..The resulted in the dynamics of your relationship that the child didn't want to involve you in her problems.. Lesson nalang sa mga parents: Guidance cannot be "forced" just anytime we feel like giving it . The child should TRUST YOU FULLY AND LOVE and RESPECT YOU ENOUGH TO LISTEN TO YOU and yes, it would have mattered. Makakatulong sa pag gabay while one is clinically depressed.
May mental health disorder kang kakilala, sis? I will disagree on this.
I am a devout Catholic, madasalin akong tao, mabait sa maraming pamantayan. Yet I was clinically diagnosed before with MDD or major depressive disorder and anxiety disorder, coupled with panic attacks. I had a trigger na stressful event
Ang mental health ay sakit na kailangan ng intervention hindi kakulangan sa pananampalataya. How do I know? Bec I’ve been there. Hindi ako nagkulang sa dasal
Depende sa gravity or anong uri, may ipreprescribe na gamot. Halimbawa, sedative para kumalma
I will agree though that in my journey, nagpa-diagnose ako, nakinig sa doktor At nagdasal para malagpasan yuj
Siguro nga may kasalanan din sina kuya Kim kung yan ang tingin nyo pero hindi nyo na kaylangan pa ipagdikdikan dahil hindi naman kayo ang namatayan at hindi nyo naman anak o kapatid si Emman daig nyo pa ang kamag anak. Hayaan nyo sila mag grieve kung anong paraan gusto nila.
3:49 ikaw na ang ulirang magulang. Halimbawa anak mo nagpakamatay, gugustuhin mo pa ba yang mga ganyang paninisi? Binully na un anak pati tatay binubully pa din. Mabubuhay ba un bangkay sa pagiging know it all niyo? Sa mga paninisi niyo? Wait ko mamatayan kayo baka magbago ang mga ugali at puso niyo.
may mga mentally ill na stubborn wants to be alone and independent kasi ayaw nila matreat na may sakit sila. Common dito yan sa US mga independent ang may disabilities esp mental. Minsan di naman kasalanan ng family kundi the victim kasi minsan hindi sila nagsasalita
Correct! Sure she is of age na pero if may ganung problem pala, they need to give her extra guidance lalo na sinabak pa nya mag social media. Even yung walang depression pag pinasok yan they end up not right mentally, what more sya.
12:15 agree!Family support is very important sa taong may severe depression.Professional help medications therapies are needed lalo na dito sa Amerika.Sana kahit isa sa magulang ng bata tinutukan sya may kaya naman sila kahit isa di na magtrabaho.Alam naman nila from the very start the girl is struggling sa mental health nya at sa social media pa lang nya marami ng bashers/haters at yun ang isa sa mga nagpa trigger sa kanya..
I just finished watching Emman Atienza on Toni Talks. 😟😟😟 I’m not blaming anyone pero how come na hindi napansin ng parents nya yung mga nangyayari? 😢 I feel sorry for her. I hope she’s at peace now.🙏
The family was aware. What do you expect them to do? Bantayan siya 24/7? Yung anak nga nila Noni nasa bahay nila when it happened. You can't just tie them down and think yun ang solution.
I am clinically diagnosed with bipolar. Growing up ang dami ko din napagdaanang sexual abuse. I don’t think my parents even know it. My mom is the breadwinner while my dad is the one who do the chores for us when he is sober. My mom was busy working her ass off to give us a good life. My dad was probably unaware of mental issues he has to battle on his own too. BUT I do not blame them. I know they did their best to be a parent. I blame the people who abuse the helpless.
101... OA naman na bantayn 24x7.. baka ibig sabihin to at least discourage her from putting herself in situations that her vulnerable self couldn't handle.
Ang hirap maging parent to a child with bipolar or depressed. Ang hirap hirap. Sometimes u feel that by just being there, u are doing a good job and sometimes naman u feel that by being there, you are worthless and worse, you are causing your child more pain. Ang hirap to know when to stay still, to move forward or to step backwards. Letz give the parents slack.
I have a young daughter with mental health issues too. It is hard, all I can do is be there for her. I still work but made sure my house is just a few minutes away. We are very close but to a point na donsoya pwedeng hawakan ng ibang tao except me, otherwise she creams and nagwawala. Spmetimes she gets aggressive too and wala ako g magawa except yalapin sya mg mahigpit and she always thanks me for protecting her. I get judged by other people, i spoil her daw and gave her everything kaya ganyan sya. I feel for the parents, it is never easy
It doesn’t cure it. But prayers help at the same time seek professional help. having said that I think I’m healed and a lot better now compared when I was younger. Jesus healed me
I think the greatest lesson here is, if ever may history yung fam member na unstable yung mental health, dapat hindi pinapabayaan mag-isa. Hindi porket tapos na siya mag therapy way back, hindi na babalik yun. Ayun na nga nangyari. Wag nalang natin iblame yung parents, may it be a lesson na maging observant din tayo sa mga fam members natin.
thats not how it works. even if there are 100 people around them, depressed people still get depressed. its an internal struggle & sadly, many still find a way to off themselves even with a whole support system, when they cant handle it anymore.
Same question din ako, kaya lang nakakatakot mag tanong,baka sbhin basher or manahimik. Yung question k kasi, meron ba sya gamot iniinom regularly? May doctor ba sya? May kasama ba sya sa US sa bahay? Gaano ba katindi ang depression nya? Lagi ba sya nag iisip ng ganon? Kasi sa USA nandyan na lahat ,magagawa mo nalang is seek help.
‘Magagawa mo nalang is to seek help’- to give you an idea, psychiatrists in LA cost around $100-300 per hour. I have a niece who shared her story that during her high school days she’s been bullied, kept it to herself and when she graduated and got a job, she started seeing a shrink. Bullies deeply scarred a person mentally, physically and emotionally. Sometimes even how closely knit your family is, you keep quiet because you don’t want to be a burden, even if they keep reminding you that they are always there to listen, guide and help. You don’t know how they feel, how they think unless you’ll be in the same situation. Let us all be reminded that there’s a grieving family.. kindness and prayers are the best we can give.
2:25 am, afford nila magpa doctor, kung yung niece mo namamahalan, she can come to the philippines, and seek treatment, mura padin, lalo dollars is 58 na...bottom line,, kayo na nagsabi its a serious illness, napakadami means for them... i really dont know anything, wala sa pamilya ko may depression, we are built differently, kaya nga nagtatanong...
grabe ang mga makadyos kuno na ganyan. nalilimutan ang sympathy at humanity makapagsermon lang. if you think the parents failed the child then they are already paying for it enduring their beloved's death. hindi pa sapat sa kanya yon?
Tumpak si Kuya Kim. Overly self-righteous itong kung sinong Joy ito acting like she is God’s spokesperson! Like a Pharisee uber judgmental na walang empathy or kindness sa kapwa!
Only God can read our hearts. He is the only one who can reward and punish anyone for whatever. When Emman did what she did, due to her mental condition, she wasn’t in her right faculties. It was no longer her making that decision. God is love. He is our Grand Creator. God loves Emman. Present tense yan!
O eh di only God can judge commenter Joy! So no one should point out ano pagkukulang ng mga magulang, when it was the young girl who said sa interview she grew up raised by the yaya kasi her parents were very busy their careers?
Holier-than-thou netizen with unsolicited advice about parenting. Ang tapang ng statement - "This is an open rebuke".
Andaming unsolicited advice sa other posts ni FP na kesyo the parents should have done this, that, etc. Tandaan - spectators lang po tayo. Nakiki-marites lang tayo. Emman is gone. Sana makiramay po tayo ng maayos.
Ako din after watching Toni Talks ang daming questions about the parents pero i kept ir to myself and who am i to judge diba? Nakikbasa lang ang tungkol sa buhay ng may buhay pero i learned from their experiences, may it be good or bad.
3:04 ang alam ko dito sa US pag severe ang depression at may negative thoughts ka na your psychiatrist will make a decision na need na ng confinement sa mental hospital/facility for proper treatment.
Those saying na she’s in the states and had access to everything, actually that’s not as easy as how you make it sound. Daming factors such as insurance and the willingness of the patient. Emman was an adult and you can’t just put her on a 5150 hold or put her on a conservatorship. Same people judging the parents are the same people who wanted “freedom” for britney spears
Masyadong ibang issue kay Britney. People just see her as money and nung nakakita sila ng opening to control her, they grabbed it and ayaw na pakawalan. Sure maybe for a time, she was not in a good place pero nung nag stable naman na, they still controlled her. For a woman na sinasabing not capable, mas marami pa syang nagawa kumpara sa taong walang issue. She is not mentally unwell, she is just quirky.
3:47 am, you cant blame people , if they think that way, ur in the first world country, mentall illness in the usa is like a flu... agree emman is an adult, but her struggle is not a secret...fyi she was previlage, if you can afford to study in the US, with ur own house, u can afford a doctor and prescription meds.. im not blaming her parents, im blaming people, who thinks they know about mental illness, but if someone ask question, they easily offended..
I am a devout Christian but was depressed for no reason. I live what most most people will view as a good life. Surrounded and loved by family and friends. I have a good job, own my home, cars and can travel on a whim. However, I felt empty inside and cried for no reason. I cannot find joy in anything. I was ashamed because I feel that God has blessed me tremendously but I cannot be happy. I seeker professional help and was prescribed medication. I also had counseling which helped in taking away the shame. I learned that clinical depression is a sickness that need to be treated not just through prayers but by medication. There is no shame in asking for help, if someone has diabetes, medication is prescribed. Same thing with depression, sometimes medication is needed.
Hi i am battling bipolar disorder for many years and i am also a Christian. I understand Emman coz napaka hirap ng bipolar disorder extreme happy or sad madami meds kelangan take mood stablizer anti depressant sleeping pills. Pero sa biyaya ng Lord matagal nako di nag meds coz of baby work up but plan ko ulit mag meds coz nag iba talaga ma apektuhan din mga tao sa paligid mo and sabi ng doctor its a lifetime medication pero naniwala ako wala impossible sa Lord. Ilang beses na din ako ng suicide nung wala pa ako relasyon sa Lord and I wont deny the fact pag na dedepress ako minsan naiisip ko pa din mag suicide kasi you feel hopeless at yun pinapa feel sakin ng enemy but nag stop sakin ay ang faith ko sa panginoon ang takot ko sa kanya. Kahit matagal na ako Christian minsan sumasagi pa din sa isip ko yun.
Kaya sana, intindihin din natin si Kuya Kim. Isa siyang grieving father. Hindi ko sinasabing tama o mali sila . only God can judge. Mabuti man o masama, Diyos lang talaga ang nakakaalam ng lahat. 🙏💔
I’m a devout Catholic. We were taught about the act of taking one’s own life, but it’s not for me or for us to judge. Unfortunately and sadly, a majority of people still do not understand mental illness. Those who are experiencing such don’t have the capacity to understand the repercussions any more of that act. We may have different opinions with what happened to his daughter, but think first if your opinion is going to hurt the family left behind who is grieving the loss. Would it be too much for you to shut it this time and keep that opinion to yourself? Is compassion too expensive for you to give?
prayers work when you also help yourself. however, mental illness has episodes. depende kung gaano na ka-serious yung condition, hindi na lang talaga yun madadala sa prayers lang. everyone has to do something about it. hindi porke't pinagagamot or may therapy, hahayaan na lang yung patient. hopefully maging aware ang madami na mental illness is a serious illness like cancer. yun ang hindi alam ng madami.
Wrong, she was with her mom in LA. There was a socmed post from a socialite. Probably a family friend. Hindi natin alam kung anong nangyari sa final moments ni Emman.
Caring for someone with mental issues, especially pag anak mo, is not an easy task. A parent would want to care for their children without suffocating them. gusto mong bantayan, but at the same time you try hard to balance it by giving them space and letting them have freedom to make their own choices kahit papaano. Hindi naman mababantayan ng 24/7, and i don't the child would want that too.. This is a truly heartbreaking situation...
1:14 Never ka bang namatayan? That is a parent's way of dealing with grieve. Madaming tao blineblame si God and you know na ok lang yun sa Kanya. He is a forgiving God. Sooner or later magkakarron din silq ng enlightenment. But for now, hangga't hindi ka kasama sa sisi, respect them.
I just want to thank everyone here na may kindness and compassion for people with mental health battles. Isa po ako doon. I was diagnosed w depression and chronic anxiety. It was a decade battle. It stemmed from my fiance then na binubugbog ako black and blue. One year ko tinago sa family ko as I didn't want to bring them anymore problem. Tiniis ko hoping magbabago. I was also SA'd as a 6-year old girl by a construction worker. Akala nila I have forgotten about it, but at 41 it's still vivid and there are times I would be in pain when I remember. Sobrang hirap, wala sa family ko ang truly makaintindi. Ibang tao pa ang tumulong sa akin para mabuo ulit ako. Kaya thank you, I'm so grateful sa lahat ng may patience and bukas ang isip at puso para intindihin ang mga taong kagaya ko, na dumaan at dumadaan sa mental health battles.
Napaka hirap po. Gumigising ka na parang gusto mo na mamatay at times. Hindi basta mapigilan, napaka lungkot.
Madami kaming anonymous marites dito na may empathy. Wala akong sasabihin na unsolicited advice. I hope you won't give up. I hope you stay motivated everyday. I hope the sadness will go away.
Life is precious, and so are you. Continue to surround yourself with kind people who uplift and support you. You are not alone in this battle. Keep pushing forward, one step at a time. Your mental health matters, and it's okay to not be okay. You are strong, capable, and deserving of love and care.
People are mixing faith and science. Ung mga believers talaga, in denial pa sa mental health issues. blaming na wala faith just because you are clinically ill.
Ang dami kong nakilala ng mga Religious kuno pero mas marami silang mga ginagawa kasalanan!!! Kaya makaroon ako ng doubts sa mga ganitong tao na kung mag advice or mag salita feel nila sila ang Tama .cguro out of 100 ,2 lang talaga ang tunay na religious at Mabuti sa kanila.
Kinuha na nga sya or should I say ayun talaga naka takda sa kanya gaya ng iba na namatay through accidents, diseases, crimes etc. Iba iba lang tayo ng kapalaran huwag din masyadong righteous.
We should also tell the bashers to get off social media and stop being toxic. Hindi puro victim blaming nalang. Walang basher = walang victim, walang nasasaktan.
Tigilan na ang pagfi-figure out kung bakit sya namatay, sino ang may kasalanan or who is to blame. Walang makakasagot niyan. Suicide is an endless maze na kahit anong gawin ninyo, you will never get the answer, because that person has already died. The only thing na magagawa ninyo is to pray for her and her family. Ang pathetic ninyong lahat.
This is why I distance 🙅🏻 myself from religious people, they are inherently judgmental. They believe that they are better than everybody else and that their way of life is morally superior.
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Pero may point yung commenter, kung may guidance at faith matatakot talaga ang tao gumawa ng ganyang kasi naka imprint na sa utak nila that it is a sin. Aminin natin, faith really helps sa mga depressed na tao. It somehow clears your mind, may role talaga sya. Ang point ni Kuya Kim is about science the other one is spiritual.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you. feeling righteous as if he knows the scripture but saying those things to a grieving father makes me think he doesnt know God. His words doesnt show kindness, respect nor compasion.
DeleteI am a devout Christian and at the same time a nurse. I work with mental health patients. Please stop saying if you have faith, hindi dapat mangyari. Their brain is wired differently.
DeletePeople still engage in premarital sex, adultery, gambling - just to give examples. Andami kong kilalang makasalanan na palasimba. May guidance & faith din naman 'tong mga taong ito.
DeleteI'm not saying I'm perfect either ha.
Dun sa minention kong examples - people are fully aware that they are sinning. Your statement "naka imprint na sa utak nila that it is a sin" is no longer applicable then.
Na-clinically diagnose ka ba ng depression? You wouldn't understand if you're not. Ang dali kasing sabihin pray pray pray.
Mental disability meaning she's not in her right state of mind
Deletesana compassion na lang for the grieving parents...
Deletefavorite song ko, Let me Be the Bearer of Your Love - Bukaspalad.... it sums up the Christian faith for me... maski kabisado mo po bible verses... bale wala if walang love... love is kind...
Base sa experience imbis na party party at socializing sa mga high end gatherings dapat nagfarming, livestock raising at cleaning dahil yun ang therapy dahil ang makukuha lang sa una e more emptiness at loneliness pag wala na yung high nung momentarily fun at escape
DeleteIsa ka pa. Sana hindi nalang pinag aral ung mga tao, puro bible nalang katulad nyo.
Deletealam na nga ng parents na hndi sya stable mentally, bakit hinayaan pa ring mag isa? na mag move out of the country on her own..sorry, d ko lang gets
DeleteGrabe naman itong mga holier than thou SOAB na ito. Naghahanap lang ng masisisi. Anxiety or depression clouds judgment. Wag naman tang@. People with anxiety or depression aren't thinking 💯 clearly. May mga bagay kang magagawa pag depressed ka na hindi mo magagawa o gagawin pag hindi Klka depressed. Walang pagkakaiba yan sa Schizophrenia halimbawa na mental illness din. When a person hears voices. So kasalanan ng magulang na Schizophrenic ang anak? In the same way na kasalanan ba ng magulang na depressed ang anak? Sarap murahin ng mga ganito. Sa tingin ba nila walk in the park yun nangyari sa pamilya? They're in pain and suffering beyond imagination. Tapos etong mga banal na aso eh magtatatahol na lang.
DeleteKung Hindi nyo naiinyindihan,then pls don't be quick to pass judgement on them.let their god be their judge Kase Sha lang Ang may karapatan at nakakakilala sa puso nila.masakit na nga ung nangyari,Hindi nakakatulong ung ganyang salita..
DeleteAt 12:12 not true. People who wants to die make it happen. Most of them have good support system at home. I beg to disagree with that. Let me tell you a case of our patient who is terminally ill with new diagnosis of cancer. He passed all his depression/suicide screening. He called his friend and asked him to grab his duffel bag at home and bring it in the hospital for him. It was a good visit then the friend left. At bedtime when nurses were not rounding much anymore, a gunshot was heard. looked room to room and found him dead with self inflicted gunshot wound. You can’t say he is not a good person. You can’t say his friend was wrong. He was depressed. He tried to hide it because he had a plan all this time. Is it the nurses fault because he died? Is it his friend’s fault for being the duffle bag that’s why he died? Or is it his fault because he made a choice to kill hinself? Same question for Emman. You have no right to blame it on anyone. Chemical imbalances happen and unfortunately, even taking their own life can happen too. So please be kind. Just listen. Keep your judgement to your group chat. Wag sa public where her bereaved family and friends can read this nasty comment and blame themselves and another demise might happen.
DeleteMy son is clinically depressed..therapy , gamot ,naka work from home Ako para maalalayan lahat ng love ,prayers , lahat ng support andyan kami pero may suicidal attempts pa rin. Wala kang alam holier than thou kaya manhimik ka
DeleteI know some of you may not agree, pero hindi ba kayo nanunuod ng mga interviews ng mga clinically nadiagnosed ng depression? Some of them mention kasi na thru faith kaya sila kumakapit, or thru faith kaya nila nalampasan. May mga depression naman kasi manageable. Ang point kasi malay natin na it could work on her, cause it worked on others.
DeleteTrue. i have a schizophrenic sister and my dad never abandoned her. He took care of her the best of his ability and kneeled to God every night to protect my sister. She is now currently in the US with my mom, still in meds and stable.
Delete302, same here. Yan din tanong ko but i guess they have stories we dont know.
DeleteMema ka dyan. The trurh is the most savage bullies use the name of their religion as shield for being rude.
Delete1212 self righteous much? Please dont be blinded by close minded beliefs and use critical thinking. have sympathy for a father who just lost his daughter.
DeletePoor kuya Kim. People are blaming him for not knowing. Can we be sensitive and have sympathy for once? It didnt help na publicize ang cause of death. Pero still give them privacy
Delete10:09 and 3:02 understandable but we should also know n parents should let their children/child be on their own. To let their wings fly. Kahit mahirap for a parent/s ito, they need to do it eventually. Kailangan din mg mga bata n tumayo on their own for their own growth.
DeleteEasy to say this and that until it happens to you
DeleteAgree with you @12:54.
DeleteKim, ang buhay weather weather lang. Most of the time, baka di mo Rin alam na self-righteous din ang dating mo sa mga pinag sasabi mo... Feeling "know-it-all".. Kapag ikaw tinamaan, bully na... Yun nga ang point, Her FAITH with your close guidance could have possibly helped her.. Aminin mo na na the "neglect" the child suffered as a child na inamin mo rin pinag sisihan mo, plays a great role..The resulted in the dynamics of your relationship that the child didn't want to involve you in her problems..
DeleteLesson nalang sa mga parents: Guidance cannot be "forced" just anytime we feel like giving it . The child should TRUST YOU FULLY AND LOVE and RESPECT YOU ENOUGH TO LISTEN TO YOU and yes, it would have mattered. Makakatulong sa pag gabay while one is clinically depressed.
May mental health disorder kang kakilala, sis? I will disagree on this.
DeleteI am a devout Catholic, madasalin akong tao, mabait sa maraming pamantayan. Yet I was clinically diagnosed before with MDD or major depressive disorder and anxiety disorder, coupled with panic attacks. I had a trigger na stressful event
Ang mental health ay sakit na kailangan ng intervention hindi kakulangan sa pananampalataya. How do I know? Bec I’ve been there. Hindi ako nagkulang sa dasal
Depende sa gravity or anong uri, may ipreprescribe na gamot. Halimbawa, sedative para kumalma
I will agree though that in my journey, nagpa-diagnose ako, nakinig sa doktor At nagdasal para malagpasan yuj
Siguro nga may kasalanan din sina kuya Kim kung yan ang tingin nyo pero hindi nyo na kaylangan pa ipagdikdikan dahil hindi naman kayo ang namatayan at hindi nyo naman anak o kapatid si Emman daig nyo pa ang kamag anak. Hayaan nyo sila mag grieve kung anong paraan gusto nila.
Delete3:49 ikaw na ang ulirang magulang. Halimbawa anak mo nagpakamatay, gugustuhin mo pa ba yang mga ganyang paninisi? Binully na un anak pati tatay binubully pa din. Mabubuhay ba un bangkay sa pagiging know it all niyo? Sa mga paninisi niyo? Wait ko mamatayan kayo baka magbago ang mga ugali at puso niyo.
Delete3:49 online bully spotted. Binully na ang anak pati tatay binubully. Online bullies are both online and offline losers. Yun lang un.
DeleteAng sad lang na they all know she’s mentally ill pero hinayaan na malayo sa kanila, wlang kasama tapos 19??? Sana di nila hinayaan mag isa
ReplyDeleteHer mom was with her in LA. Please be responsible before commenting.
Deletemay mga mentally ill na stubborn wants to be alone and independent kasi ayaw nila matreat na may sakit sila. Common dito yan sa US mga independent ang may disabilities esp mental. Minsan di naman kasalanan ng family kundi the victim kasi minsan hindi sila nagsasalita
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DeleteCorrect! Sure she is of age na pero if may ganung problem pala, they need to give her extra guidance lalo na sinabak pa nya mag social media. Even yung walang depression pag pinasok yan they end up not right mentally, what more sya.
Delete12:15 agree!Family support is very important sa taong may severe depression.Professional help medications therapies are needed lalo na dito sa Amerika.Sana kahit isa sa magulang ng bata tinutukan sya may kaya naman sila kahit isa di na magtrabaho.Alam naman nila from the very start the girl is struggling sa mental health nya at sa social media pa lang nya marami ng bashers/haters at yun ang isa sa mga nagpa trigger sa kanya..
DeleteI think nasa States sya supposedly for therapy sana.
DeleteI just finished watching Emman Atienza on Toni Talks. 😟😟😟 I’m not blaming anyone pero how come na hindi napansin ng parents nya yung mga nangyayari? 😢 I feel sorry for her. I hope she’s at peace now.🙏
ReplyDeleteyet you posting this proves that you are blaming the parents.
DeleteThe family was aware. What do you expect them to do? Bantayan siya 24/7? Yung anak nga nila Noni nasa bahay nila when it happened. You can't just tie them down and think yun ang solution.
DeleteI'm not blaming anyone - but obviously blaming the family
DeleteShe talked openly about her condition and you think her family don’t know.
DeleteIsa pang ipokrito sa comment section. The parents can only do so much. Pinagamot nga siya diba since 12 years old
DeleteDo not blame the parents.
DeleteI am clinically diagnosed with bipolar. Growing up ang dami ko din napagdaanang sexual abuse. I don’t think my parents even know it. My mom is the breadwinner while my dad is the one who do the chores for us when he is sober. My mom was busy working her ass off to give us a good life. My dad was probably unaware of mental issues he has to battle on his own too. BUT I do not blame them. I know they did their best to be a parent. I blame the people who abuse the helpless.
Delete101... OA naman na bantayn 24x7.. baka ibig sabihin to at least discourage her from putting herself in situations that her vulnerable self couldn't handle.
DeleteWow! How cruel can people be?
ReplyDeleteAng hirap maging parent to a child with bipolar or depressed. Ang hirap hirap. Sometimes u feel that by just being there, u are doing a good job and sometimes naman u feel that by being there, you are worthless and worse, you are causing your child more pain. Ang hirap to know when to stay still, to move forward or to step backwards. Letz give the parents slack.
DeleteI have a young daughter with mental health issues too. It is hard, all I can do is be there for her. I still work but made sure my house is just a few minutes away. We are very close but to a point na donsoya pwedeng hawakan ng ibang tao except me, otherwise she creams and nagwawala. Spmetimes she gets aggressive too and wala ako g magawa except yalapin sya mg mahigpit and she always thanks me for protecting her. I get judged by other people, i spoil her daw and gave her everything kaya ganyan sya. I feel for the parents, it is never easy
DeleteWhat if the real solution we’re looking for isn’t in luck or timing but in where we spend our time?
ReplyDeleteMore hours in church, reading the Bible, praying, serving, and grounding ourselves in truth instead of partying, drinking, and numbing the noise.
Maybe circumstances wouldn’t just look different. Maybe we would.
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i have carried that emotional void in my heart for many years... rosary nakatulong sa akin. salamat sa Diyos.
DeleteMaybe maybe maybe.
DeleteHow can thoughts and prayers cure clinical depression?
DeleteIt doesn’t cure it. But prayers help at the same time seek professional help. having said that I think I’m healed and a lot better now compared when I was younger. Jesus healed me
DeleteIto yung pinpoint ko kanina pa kaso di nila magets. Hindi ko naman sinasabing un talaga makakagamot pero nakakatulong ang faith talaga.
DeleteI think the greatest lesson here is, if ever may history yung fam member na unstable yung mental health, dapat hindi pinapabayaan mag-isa. Hindi porket tapos na siya mag therapy way back, hindi na babalik yun. Ayun na nga nangyari. Wag nalang natin iblame yung parents, may it be a lesson na maging observant din tayo sa mga fam members natin.
ReplyDeletethats not how it works. even if there are 100 people around them, depressed people still get depressed. its an internal struggle & sadly, many still find a way to off themselves even with a whole support system, when they cant handle it anymore.
DeleteYour thinking is very fairytale like wala kang alam
DeleteHow ironic that the bully's name is Joy.
ReplyDeleteI don’t think she’s bullying, if you read again her post seems like spitting facts
DeleteAng daling sisihin ibang tao pero hindi masisi ang mga tunay na dapat nandoon para sa anak nila.
Delete7:44 AGREE... Tapos expecting kindness and calling someone bully
DeleteMaybe i have the same question as others. Known and diagnosed na may depression, pero mag isa abroad?
ReplyDeleteMay nakita akong socmed post. The mother & Emman went to LA for her therapy. So she didn't go there alone.
DeleteSame question din ako, kaya lang nakakatakot mag tanong,baka sbhin basher or manahimik. Yung question k kasi, meron ba sya gamot iniinom regularly? May doctor ba sya? May kasama ba sya sa US sa bahay? Gaano ba katindi ang depression nya? Lagi ba sya nag iisip ng ganon? Kasi sa USA nandyan na lahat ,magagawa mo nalang is seek help.
Delete‘Magagawa mo nalang is to seek help’- to give you an idea, psychiatrists in LA cost around $100-300 per hour. I have a niece who shared her story that during her high school days she’s been bullied, kept it to herself and when she graduated and got a job, she started seeing a shrink. Bullies deeply scarred a person mentally, physically and emotionally. Sometimes even how closely knit your family is, you keep quiet because you don’t want to be a burden, even if they keep reminding you that they are always there to listen, guide and help.
DeleteYou don’t know how they feel, how they think unless you’ll be in the same situation.
Let us all be reminded that there’s a grieving family.. kindness and prayers are the best we can give.
If you’re in the US and have suicidal thoughts, you or someone can call 911 and that can be a reason for a legal hold.
DeleteAnd the fact na may history ng self-harm. Dapat nag-ingat na.
Delete2.25, you talk like if you have a mental condition, it is helpless..i think not the case at all.
Delete2:25 am, afford nila magpa doctor, kung yung niece mo namamahalan, she can come to the philippines, and seek treatment, mura padin, lalo dollars is 58 na...bottom line,, kayo na nagsabi its a serious illness, napakadami means for them... i really dont know anything, wala sa pamilya ko may depression, we are built differently, kaya nga nagtatanong...
Deletegrabe ang mga makadyos kuno na ganyan. nalilimutan ang sympathy at humanity makapagsermon lang. if you think the parents failed the child then they are already paying for it enduring their beloved's death. hindi pa sapat sa kanya yon?
ReplyDeleteTumpak si Kuya Kim. Overly self-righteous itong kung sinong Joy ito acting like she is God’s spokesperson! Like a Pharisee uber judgmental na walang empathy or kindness sa kapwa!
ReplyDeleteOnly God can read our hearts. He is the only one who can reward and punish anyone for whatever. When Emman did what she did, due to her mental condition, she wasn’t in her right faculties. It was no longer her making that decision. God is love. He is our Grand Creator. God loves Emman. Present tense yan!
O eh di only God can judge commenter Joy! So no one should point out ano pagkukulang ng mga magulang, when it was the young girl who said sa interview she grew up raised by the yaya kasi her parents were very busy their careers?
DeleteHolier-than-thou netizen with unsolicited advice about parenting. Ang tapang ng statement - "This is an open rebuke".
ReplyDeleteAndaming unsolicited advice sa other posts ni FP na kesyo the parents should have done this, that, etc. Tandaan - spectators lang po tayo. Nakiki-marites lang tayo. Emman is gone. Sana makiramay po tayo ng maayos.
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DeleteMashadong literal si Joy sa "God took.
DeleteAko din after watching Toni Talks ang daming questions about the parents pero i kept ir to myself and who am i to judge diba? Nakikbasa lang ang tungkol sa buhay ng may buhay pero i learned from their experiences, may it be good or bad.
In her posts and contents its obviously a cry for help. How can they missed that?
ReplyDeleteyes
Delete3:04 ang alam ko dito sa US pag severe ang depression at may negative thoughts ka na your psychiatrist will make a decision na need na ng confinement sa mental hospital/facility for proper treatment.
DeleteMaybe she stopped taking her meds thinking that everything was going well with her while she was in LA?
ReplyDeleteThose saying na she’s in the states and had access to everything, actually that’s not as easy as how you make it sound. Daming factors such as insurance and the willingness of the patient. Emman was an adult and you can’t just put her on a 5150 hold or put her on a conservatorship. Same people judging the parents are the same people who wanted “freedom” for britney spears
ReplyDelete3:47 Bakit pati si Britney s naninvolved? You don't compare an apple to an orange, just sayin....
DeleteMasyadong ibang issue kay Britney. People just see her as money and nung nakakita sila ng opening to control her, they grabbed it and ayaw na pakawalan. Sure maybe for a time, she was not in a good place pero nung nag stable naman na, they still controlled her. For a woman na sinasabing not capable, mas marami pa syang nagawa kumpara sa taong walang issue. She is not mentally unwell, she is just quirky.
Delete3:47 am, you cant blame people , if they think that way, ur in the first world country, mentall illness in the usa is like a flu... agree emman is an adult, but her struggle is not a secret...fyi she was previlage, if you can afford to study in the US, with ur own house, u can afford a doctor and prescription meds.. im not blaming her parents, im blaming people, who thinks they know about mental illness, but if someone ask question, they easily offended..
DeleteIt's always the religious ones
ReplyDeleteI am a devout Christian but was depressed for no reason. I live what most most people will view as a good life. Surrounded and loved by family and friends. I have a good job, own my home, cars and can travel on a whim. However, I felt empty inside and cried for no reason. I cannot find joy in anything. I was ashamed because I feel that God has blessed me tremendously but I cannot be happy. I seeker professional help and was prescribed medication. I also had counseling which helped in taking away the shame. I learned that clinical depression is a sickness that need to be treated not just through prayers but by medication. There is no shame in asking for help, if someone has diabetes, medication is prescribed. Same thing with depression, sometimes medication is needed.
ReplyDeleteHi i am battling bipolar disorder for many years and i am also a Christian. I understand Emman coz napaka hirap ng bipolar disorder extreme happy or sad madami meds kelangan take mood stablizer anti depressant sleeping pills. Pero sa biyaya ng Lord matagal nako di nag meds coz of baby work up but plan ko ulit mag meds coz nag iba talaga ma apektuhan din mga tao sa paligid mo and sabi ng doctor its a lifetime medication pero naniwala ako wala impossible sa Lord.
ReplyDeleteIlang beses na din ako ng suicide nung wala pa ako relasyon sa Lord and
I wont deny the fact pag na dedepress ako minsan naiisip ko pa din mag suicide kasi you feel hopeless at yun pinapa feel sakin ng enemy but nag stop sakin ay ang faith ko sa panginoon ang takot ko sa kanya. Kahit matagal na ako Christian minsan sumasagi pa din sa isip ko yun.
Kaya sana, intindihin din natin si Kuya Kim. Isa siyang grieving father. Hindi ko sinasabing tama o mali sila . only God can judge. Mabuti man o masama, Diyos lang talaga ang nakakaalam ng lahat. 🙏💔
Praying with you kapatid that our Lord will continue to keep you and bring you divine healing. And i pray for your loved ones as well.
DeleteTight hug para syo 7:32 damang-dama ko ang wisdom at faith mo. God is good all the time.
DeleteTake care, 7:32...
DeleteI don’t get these holier-than-thou people. Shooting for heaven, maybe? Because their actions scream first-class ticket to hell.
ReplyDeletekapal ng mukha... gumaan ba ang pakiramdam ng namatayan dahil sa sinabi nya?
DeleteI’m a devout Catholic. We were taught about the act of taking one’s own life, but it’s not for me or for us to judge. Unfortunately and sadly, a majority of people still do not understand mental illness. Those who are experiencing such don’t have the capacity to understand the repercussions any more of that act. We may have different opinions with what happened to his daughter, but think first if your opinion is going to hurt the family left behind who is grieving the loss. Would it be too much for you to shut it this time and keep that opinion to yourself? Is compassion too expensive for you to give?
ReplyDeleteAng meaningful ng message mo 🙏 Agree. Sana lawakan ng mga self proclaimed "faithful" yung pag unawa nila.
Deleteprayers work when you also help yourself. however, mental illness has episodes. depende kung gaano na ka-serious yung condition, hindi na lang talaga yun madadala sa prayers lang. everyone has to do something about it. hindi porke't pinagagamot or may therapy, hahayaan na lang yung patient. hopefully maging aware ang madami na mental illness is a serious illness like cancer. yun ang hindi alam ng madami.
DeleteShe's 19, clinically depressed without physical immediate family members with her in US. Make that make sense.
ReplyDeleteWrong, she was with her mom in LA. There was a socmed post from a socialite. Probably a family friend. Hindi natin alam kung anong nangyari sa final moments ni Emman.
DeleteIKR?????
DeleteWrong! She was living alone in her own apartment not with her mother.
DeleteMental illness + influencer is such a deadly combo.
ReplyDeleteYan talaga ang big factor.
DeleteTHIS. Sana umiwas na lang muna siya sa socmed kung masyado na pala siyang affected by what people say about her.
DeleteGot abused by her yaya when she was a child, got bullied from childhood to her teenage years… rest in forgiveness and peace
ReplyDeleteCaring for someone with mental issues, especially pag anak mo, is not an easy task. A parent would want to care for their children without suffocating them. gusto mong bantayan, but at the same time you try hard to balance it by giving them space and letting them have freedom to make their own choices kahit papaano. Hindi naman mababantayan ng 24/7, and i don't the child would want that too.. This is a truly heartbreaking situation...
ReplyDeleteIn short to those who think they know better, being a parent is no easy task. No matter how much you try youl always fall short.
DeleteJoy, not now. Kuya Kim is grieving.
ReplyDeleteJoy, not ever bec you dont understand clinical depression
DeleteTrue si commenter Kim is still in denial at so self righteous to say God took her life. Your child did it and it was her choice
ReplyDelete1:14 Never ka bang namatayan? That is a parent's way of dealing with grieve. Madaming tao blineblame si God and you know na ok lang yun sa Kanya. He is a forgiving God. Sooner or later magkakarron din silq ng enlightenment. But for now, hangga't hindi ka kasama sa sisi, respect them.
DeleteShut up. Makiramay ka na lang.
DeleteYung mga netizens na akala mo kung sino makapanghusga ng pagiging parent ng isang tao. Make sure perfect kayo as a parent.
ReplyDeleteJoy Joy Joy, perfect siguro anak neto.
ReplyDeleteI just want to thank everyone here na may kindness and compassion for people with mental health battles. Isa po ako doon. I was diagnosed w depression and chronic anxiety. It was a decade battle. It stemmed from my fiance then na binubugbog ako black and blue. One year ko tinago sa family ko as I didn't want to bring them anymore problem. Tiniis ko hoping magbabago. I was also SA'd as a 6-year old girl by a construction worker. Akala nila I have forgotten about it, but at 41 it's still vivid and there are times I would be in pain when I remember. Sobrang hirap, wala sa family ko ang truly makaintindi. Ibang tao pa ang tumulong sa akin para mabuo ulit ako. Kaya thank you, I'm so grateful sa lahat ng may patience and bukas ang isip at puso para intindihin ang mga taong kagaya ko, na dumaan at dumadaan sa mental health battles.
ReplyDeleteNapaka hirap po. Gumigising ka na parang gusto mo na mamatay at times. Hindi basta mapigilan, napaka lungkot.
Madami kaming anonymous marites dito na may empathy. Wala akong sasabihin na unsolicited advice. I hope you won't give up. I hope you stay motivated everyday. I hope the sadness will go away.
DeleteLife is precious, and so are you. Continue to surround yourself with kind people who uplift and support you. You are not alone in this battle. Keep pushing forward, one step at a time. Your mental health matters, and it's okay to not be okay. You are strong, capable, and deserving of love and care.
DeletePeople are mixing faith and science. Ung mga believers talaga, in denial pa sa mental health issues. blaming na wala faith just because you are clinically ill.
ReplyDeleteAng dami kong nakilala ng mga Religious kuno pero mas marami silang mga ginagawa kasalanan!!! Kaya makaroon ako ng doubts sa mga ganitong tao na kung mag advice or mag salita feel nila sila ang Tama .cguro out of 100 ,2 lang talaga ang tunay na religious at Mabuti sa kanila.
ReplyDeleteKinuha na nga sya or should I say ayun talaga naka takda sa kanya gaya ng iba na namatay through accidents, diseases, crimes etc. Iba iba lang tayo ng kapalaran huwag din masyadong righteous.
ReplyDeleteHala po kayo, paki intindi ng in-depth ang clinical depression bago magsakita. Mga mangmang
ReplyDeleteIf you can't live with people's criticisms, do not live a public life.
ReplyDeleteIsa ka pa.
DeleteWe should also tell the bashers to get off social media and stop being toxic. Hindi puro victim blaming nalang. Walang basher = walang victim, walang nasasaktan.
DeleteStop being judgy. If you are the parent having a child with mental problems, you won’t know how, what to do and second guess your parenting style too.
ReplyDeleteTigilan na ang pagfi-figure out kung bakit sya namatay, sino ang may kasalanan or who is to blame. Walang makakasagot niyan. Suicide is an endless maze na kahit anong gawin ninyo, you will never get the answer, because that person has already died. The only thing na magagawa ninyo is to pray for her and her family. Ang pathetic ninyong lahat.
ReplyDeleteThis is why I distance 🙅🏻 myself from religious people,
ReplyDeletethey are inherently judgmental.
They believe that they are better than everybody else and that their way of life is morally superior.