Pero may point yung commenter, kung may guidance at faith matatakot talaga ang tao gumawa ng ganyang kasi naka imprint na sa utak nila that it is a sin. Aminin natin, faith really helps sa mga depressed na tao. It somehow clears your mind, may role talaga sya. Ang point ni Kuya Kim is about science the other one is spiritual.
I disagree with you. feeling righteous as if he knows the scripture but saying those things to a grieving father makes me think he doesnt know God. His words doesnt show kindness, respect nor compasion.
I am a devout Christian and at the same time a nurse. I work with mental health patients. Please stop saying if you have faith, hindi dapat mangyari. Their brain is wired differently.
People still engage in premarital sex, adultery, gambling - just to give examples. Andami kong kilalang makasalanan na palasimba. May guidance & faith din naman 'tong mga taong ito.
I'm not saying I'm perfect either ha.
Dun sa minention kong examples - people are fully aware that they are sinning. Your statement "naka imprint na sa utak nila that it is a sin" is no longer applicable then.
Na-clinically diagnose ka ba ng depression? You wouldn't understand if you're not. Ang dali kasing sabihin pray pray pray.
I know some of you may not agree, pero hindi ba kayo nanunuod ng mga interviews ng mga clinically nadiagnosed ng depression? Some of them mention kasi na thru faith kaya sila kumakapit, or thru faith kaya nila nalampasan. May mga depression naman kasi manageable. Ang point kasi malay natin na it could work on her, cause it worked on others.
True. i have a schizophrenic sister and my dad never abandoned her. He took care of her the best of his ability and kneeled to God every night to protect my sister. She is now currently in the US with my mom, still in meds and stable.
Correct! Sure she is of age na pero if may ganung problem pala, they need to give her extra guidance lalo na sinabak pa nya mag social media. Even yung walang depression pag pinasok yan they end up not right mentally, what more sya.
I just finished watching Emman Atienza on Toni Talks. 😟😟😟 I’m not blaming anyone pero how come na hindi napansin ng parents nya yung mga nangyayari? 😢 I feel sorry for her. I hope she’s at peace now.🙏
The family was aware. What do you expect them to do? Bantayan siya 24/7? Yung anak nga nila Noni nasa bahay nila when it happened. You can't just tie them down and think yun ang solution.
Ang hirap maging parent to a child with bipolar or depressed. Ang hirap hirap. Sometimes u feel that by just being there, u are doing a good job and sometimes naman u feel that by being there, you are worthless and worse, you are causing your child more pain. Ang hirap to know when to stay still, to move forward or to step backwards. Letz give the parents slack.
I think the greatest lesson here is, if ever may history yung fam member na unstable yung mental health, dapat hindi pinapabayaan mag-isa. Hindi porket tapos na siya mag therapy way back, hindi na babalik yun. Ayun na nga nangyari. Wag nalang natin iblame yung parents, may it be a lesson na maging observant din tayo sa mga fam members natin.
thats not how it works. even if there are 100 people around them, depressed people still get depressed. its an internal struggle & sadly, many still find a way to off themselves even with a whole support system, when they cant handle it anymore.
Same question din ako, kaya lang nakakatakot mag tanong,baka sbhin basher or manahimik. Yung question k kasi, meron ba sya gamot iniinom regularly? May doctor ba sya? May kasama ba sya sa US sa bahay? Gaano ba katindi ang depression nya? Lagi ba sya nag iisip ng ganon? Kasi sa USA nandyan na lahat ,magagawa mo nalang is seek help.
‘Magagawa mo nalang is to seek help’- to give you an idea, psychiatrists in LA cost around $100-300 per hour. I have a niece who shared her story that during her high school days she’s been bullied, kept it to herself and when she graduated and got a job, she started seeing a shrink. Bullies deeply scarred a person mentally, physically and emotionally. Sometimes even how closely knit your family is, you keep quiet because you don’t want to be a burden, even if they keep reminding you that they are always there to listen, guide and help. You don’t know how they feel, how they think unless you’ll be in the same situation. Let us all be reminded that there’s a grieving family.. kindness and prayers are the best we can give.
2:25 am, afford nila magpa doctor, kung yung niece mo namamahalan, she can come to the philippines, and seek treatment, mura padin, lalo dollars is 58 na...bottom line,, kayo na nagsabi its a serious illness, napakadami means for them... i really dont know anything, wala sa pamilya ko may depression, we are built differently, kaya nga nagtatanong...
grabe ang mga makadyos kuno na ganyan. nalilimutan ang sympathy at humanity makapagsermon lang. if you think the parents failed the child then they are already paying for it enduring their beloved's death. hindi pa sapat sa kanya yon?
Tumpak si Kuya Kim. Overly self-righteous itong kung sinong Joy ito acting like she is God’s spokesperson! Like a Pharisee uber judgmental na walang empathy or kindness sa kapwa!
Only God can read our hearts. He is the only one who can reward and punish anyone for whatever. When Emman did what she did, due to her mental condition, she wasn’t in her right faculties. It was no longer her making that decision. God is love. He is our Grand Creator. God loves Emman. Present tense yan!
O eh di only God can judge commenter Joy! So no one should point out ano pagkukulang ng mga magulang, when it was the young girl who said sa interview she grew up raised by the yaya kasi her parents were very busy their careers?
Holier-than-thou netizen with unsolicited advice about parenting. Ang tapang ng statement - "This is an open rebuke".
Andaming unsolicited advice sa other posts ni FP na kesyo the parents should have done this, that, etc. Tandaan - spectators lang po tayo. Nakiki-marites lang tayo. Emman is gone. Sana makiramay po tayo ng maayos.
Ako din after watching Toni Talks ang daming questions about the parents pero i kept ir to myself and who am i to judge diba? Nakikbasa lang ang tungkol sa buhay ng may buhay pero i learned from their experiences, may it be good or bad.
Those saying na she’s in the states and had access to everything, actually that’s not as easy as how you make it sound. Daming factors such as insurance and the willingness of the patient. Emman was an adult and you can’t just put her on a 5150 hold or put her on a conservatorship. Same people judging the parents are the same people who wanted “freedom” for britney spears
Masyadong ibang issue kay Britney. People just see her as money and nung nakakita sila ng opening to control her, they grabbed it and ayaw na pakawalan. Sure maybe for a time, she was not in a good place pero nung nag stable naman na, they still controlled her. For a woman na sinasabing not capable, mas marami pa syang nagawa kumpara sa taong walang issue. She is not mentally unwell, she is just quirky.
3:47 am, you cant blame people , if they think that way, ur in the first world country, mentall illness in the usa is like a flu... agree emman is an adult, but her struggle is not a secret...fyi she was previlage, if you can afford to study in the US, with ur own house, u can afford a doctor and prescription meds.. im not blaming her parents, im blaming people, who thinks they know about mental illness, but if someone ask question, they easily offended..
Hi i am battling bipolar disorder for many years and i am also a Christian. I understand Emman coz napaka hirap ng bipolar disorder extreme happy or sad madami meds kelangan take mood stablizer anti depressant sleeping pills. Pero sa biyaya ng Lord matagal nako di nag meds coz of baby work up but plan ko ulit mag meds coz nag iba talaga ma apektuhan din mga tao sa paligid mo and sabi ng doctor its a lifetime medication pero naniwala ako wala impossible sa Lord. Ilang beses na din ako ng suicide nung wala pa ako relasyon sa Lord and I wont deny the fact pag na dedepress ako minsan naiisip ko pa din mag suicide kasi you feel hopeless at yun pinapa feel sakin ng enemy but nag stop sakin ay ang faith ko sa panginoon ang takot ko sa kanya. Kahit matagal na ako Christian minsan sumasagi pa din sa isip ko yun.
Kaya sana, intindihin din natin si Kuya Kim. Isa siyang grieving father. Hindi ko sinasabing tama o mali sila . only God can judge. Mabuti man o masama, Diyos lang talaga ang nakakaalam ng lahat. 🙏💔
I’m a devout Catholic. We were taught about the act of taking one’s own life, but it’s not for me or for us to judge. Unfortunately and sadly, a majority of people still do not understand mental illness. Those who are experiencing such don’t have the capacity to understand the repercussions any more of that act. We may have different opinions with what happened to his daughter, but think first if your opinion is going to hurt the family left behind who is grieving the loss. Would it be too much for you to shut it this time and keep that opinion to yourself? Is compassion too expensive for you to give?
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Pero may point yung commenter, kung may guidance at faith matatakot talaga ang tao gumawa ng ganyang kasi naka imprint na sa utak nila that it is a sin. Aminin natin, faith really helps sa mga depressed na tao. It somehow clears your mind, may role talaga sya. Ang point ni Kuya Kim is about science the other one is spiritual.
ReplyDeleteI disagree with you. feeling righteous as if he knows the scripture but saying those things to a grieving father makes me think he doesnt know God. His words doesnt show kindness, respect nor compasion.
DeleteI am a devout Christian and at the same time a nurse. I work with mental health patients. Please stop saying if you have faith, hindi dapat mangyari. Their brain is wired differently.
DeletePeople still engage in premarital sex, adultery, gambling - just to give examples. Andami kong kilalang makasalanan na palasimba. May guidance & faith din naman 'tong mga taong ito.
DeleteI'm not saying I'm perfect either ha.
Dun sa minention kong examples - people are fully aware that they are sinning. Your statement "naka imprint na sa utak nila that it is a sin" is no longer applicable then.
Na-clinically diagnose ka ba ng depression? You wouldn't understand if you're not. Ang dali kasing sabihin pray pray pray.
Mental disability meaning she's not in her right state of mind
DeleteIsa ka pa. Sana hindi nalang pinag aral ung mga tao, puro bible nalang katulad nyo.
Deletealam na nga ng parents na hndi sya stable mentally, bakit hinayaan pa ring mag isa? na mag move out of the country on her own..sorry, d ko lang gets
DeleteI know some of you may not agree, pero hindi ba kayo nanunuod ng mga interviews ng mga clinically nadiagnosed ng depression? Some of them mention kasi na thru faith kaya sila kumakapit, or thru faith kaya nila nalampasan. May mga depression naman kasi manageable. Ang point kasi malay natin na it could work on her, cause it worked on others.
DeleteTrue. i have a schizophrenic sister and my dad never abandoned her. He took care of her the best of his ability and kneeled to God every night to protect my sister. She is now currently in the US with my mom, still in meds and stable.
Delete302, same here. Yan din tanong ko but i guess they have stories we dont know.
DeleteMema ka dyan. The trurh is the most savage bullies use the name of their religion as shield for being rude.
DeleteAng sad lang na they all know she’s mentally ill pero hinayaan na malayo sa kanila, wlang kasama tapos 19??? Sana di nila hinayaan mag isa
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DeleteCorrect! Sure she is of age na pero if may ganung problem pala, they need to give her extra guidance lalo na sinabak pa nya mag social media. Even yung walang depression pag pinasok yan they end up not right mentally, what more sya.
DeleteI just finished watching Emman Atienza on Toni Talks. 😟😟😟 I’m not blaming anyone pero how come na hindi napansin ng parents nya yung mga nangyayari? 😢 I feel sorry for her. I hope she’s at peace now.🙏
ReplyDeleteyet you posting this proves that you are blaming the parents.
DeleteThe family was aware. What do you expect them to do? Bantayan siya 24/7? Yung anak nga nila Noni nasa bahay nila when it happened. You can't just tie them down and think yun ang solution.
DeleteI'm not blaming anyone - but obviously blaming the family
DeleteDo not blame the parents.
DeleteWow! How cruel can people be?
ReplyDeleteAng hirap maging parent to a child with bipolar or depressed. Ang hirap hirap. Sometimes u feel that by just being there, u are doing a good job and sometimes naman u feel that by being there, you are worthless and worse, you are causing your child more pain. Ang hirap to know when to stay still, to move forward or to step backwards. Letz give the parents slack.
DeleteWhat if the real solution we’re looking for isn’t in luck or timing but in where we spend our time?
ReplyDeleteMore hours in church, reading the Bible, praying, serving, and grounding ourselves in truth instead of partying, drinking, and numbing the noise.
Maybe circumstances wouldn’t just look different. Maybe we would.
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Maybe maybe maybe.
DeleteI think the greatest lesson here is, if ever may history yung fam member na unstable yung mental health, dapat hindi pinapabayaan mag-isa. Hindi porket tapos na siya mag therapy way back, hindi na babalik yun. Ayun na nga nangyari. Wag nalang natin iblame yung parents, may it be a lesson na maging observant din tayo sa mga fam members natin.
ReplyDeletethats not how it works. even if there are 100 people around them, depressed people still get depressed. its an internal struggle & sadly, many still find a way to off themselves even with a whole support system, when they cant handle it anymore.
DeleteHow ironic that the bully's name is Joy.
ReplyDeleteAng daling sisihin ibang tao pero hindi masisi ang mga tunay na dapat nandoon para sa anak nila.
DeleteMaybe i have the same question as others. Known and diagnosed na may depression, pero mag isa abroad?
ReplyDeleteMay nakita akong socmed post. The mother & Emman went to LA for her therapy. So she didn't go there alone.
DeleteSame question din ako, kaya lang nakakatakot mag tanong,baka sbhin basher or manahimik. Yung question k kasi, meron ba sya gamot iniinom regularly? May doctor ba sya? May kasama ba sya sa US sa bahay? Gaano ba katindi ang depression nya? Lagi ba sya nag iisip ng ganon? Kasi sa USA nandyan na lahat ,magagawa mo nalang is seek help.
Delete‘Magagawa mo nalang is to seek help’- to give you an idea, psychiatrists in LA cost around $100-300 per hour. I have a niece who shared her story that during her high school days she’s been bullied, kept it to herself and when she graduated and got a job, she started seeing a shrink. Bullies deeply scarred a person mentally, physically and emotionally. Sometimes even how closely knit your family is, you keep quiet because you don’t want to be a burden, even if they keep reminding you that they are always there to listen, guide and help.
DeleteYou don’t know how they feel, how they think unless you’ll be in the same situation.
Let us all be reminded that there’s a grieving family.. kindness and prayers are the best we can give.
If you’re in the US and have suicidal thoughts, you or someone can call 911 and that can be a reason for a legal hold.
DeleteAnd the fact na may history ng self-harm. Dapat nag-ingat na.
Delete2.25, you talk like if you have a mental condition, it is helpless..i think not the case at all.
Delete2:25 am, afford nila magpa doctor, kung yung niece mo namamahalan, she can come to the philippines, and seek treatment, mura padin, lalo dollars is 58 na...bottom line,, kayo na nagsabi its a serious illness, napakadami means for them... i really dont know anything, wala sa pamilya ko may depression, we are built differently, kaya nga nagtatanong...
Deletegrabe ang mga makadyos kuno na ganyan. nalilimutan ang sympathy at humanity makapagsermon lang. if you think the parents failed the child then they are already paying for it enduring their beloved's death. hindi pa sapat sa kanya yon?
ReplyDeleteTumpak si Kuya Kim. Overly self-righteous itong kung sinong Joy ito acting like she is God’s spokesperson! Like a Pharisee uber judgmental na walang empathy or kindness sa kapwa!
ReplyDeleteOnly God can read our hearts. He is the only one who can reward and punish anyone for whatever. When Emman did what she did, due to her mental condition, she wasn’t in her right faculties. It was no longer her making that decision. God is love. He is our Grand Creator. God loves Emman. Present tense yan!
O eh di only God can judge commenter Joy! So no one should point out ano pagkukulang ng mga magulang, when it was the young girl who said sa interview she grew up raised by the yaya kasi her parents were very busy their careers?
DeleteHolier-than-thou netizen with unsolicited advice about parenting. Ang tapang ng statement - "This is an open rebuke".
ReplyDeleteAndaming unsolicited advice sa other posts ni FP na kesyo the parents should have done this, that, etc. Tandaan - spectators lang po tayo. Nakiki-marites lang tayo. Emman is gone. Sana makiramay po tayo ng maayos.
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DeleteMashadong literal si Joy sa "God took.
DeleteAko din after watching Toni Talks ang daming questions about the parents pero i kept ir to myself and who am i to judge diba? Nakikbasa lang ang tungkol sa buhay ng may buhay pero i learned from their experiences, may it be good or bad.
In her posts and contents its obviously a cry for help. How can they missed that?
ReplyDeleteyes
DeleteMaybe she stopped taking her meds thinking that everything was going well with her while she was in LA?
ReplyDeleteThose saying na she’s in the states and had access to everything, actually that’s not as easy as how you make it sound. Daming factors such as insurance and the willingness of the patient. Emman was an adult and you can’t just put her on a 5150 hold or put her on a conservatorship. Same people judging the parents are the same people who wanted “freedom” for britney spears
ReplyDelete3:47 Bakit pati si Britney s naninvolved? You don't compare an apple to an orange, just sayin....
DeleteMasyadong ibang issue kay Britney. People just see her as money and nung nakakita sila ng opening to control her, they grabbed it and ayaw na pakawalan. Sure maybe for a time, she was not in a good place pero nung nag stable naman na, they still controlled her. For a woman na sinasabing not capable, mas marami pa syang nagawa kumpara sa taong walang issue. She is not mentally unwell, she is just quirky.
Delete3:47 am, you cant blame people , if they think that way, ur in the first world country, mentall illness in the usa is like a flu... agree emman is an adult, but her struggle is not a secret...fyi she was previlage, if you can afford to study in the US, with ur own house, u can afford a doctor and prescription meds.. im not blaming her parents, im blaming people, who thinks they know about mental illness, but if someone ask question, they easily offended..
DeleteHi i am battling bipolar disorder for many years and i am also a Christian. I understand Emman coz napaka hirap ng bipolar disorder extreme happy or sad madami meds kelangan take mood stablizer anti depressant sleeping pills. Pero sa biyaya ng Lord matagal nako di nag meds coz of baby work up but plan ko ulit mag meds coz nag iba talaga ma apektuhan din mga tao sa paligid mo and sabi ng doctor its a lifetime medication pero naniwala ako wala impossible sa Lord.
ReplyDeleteIlang beses na din ako ng suicide nung wala pa ako relasyon sa Lord and
I wont deny the fact pag na dedepress ako minsan naiisip ko pa din mag suicide kasi you feel hopeless at yun pinapa feel sakin ng enemy but nag stop sakin ay ang faith ko sa panginoon ang takot ko sa kanya. Kahit matagal na ako Christian minsan sumasagi pa din sa isip ko yun.
Kaya sana, intindihin din natin si Kuya Kim. Isa siyang grieving father. Hindi ko sinasabing tama o mali sila . only God can judge. Mabuti man o masama, Diyos lang talaga ang nakakaalam ng lahat. 🙏💔
I don’t get these holier-than-thou people. Shooting for heaven, maybe? Because their actions scream first-class ticket to hell.
ReplyDeleteI’m a devout Catholic. We were taught about the act of taking one’s own life, but it’s not for me or for us to judge. Unfortunately and sadly, a majority of people still do not understand mental illness. Those who are experiencing such don’t have the capacity to understand the repercussions any more of that act. We may have different opinions with what happened to his daughter, but think first if your opinion is going to hurt the family left behind who is grieving the loss. Would it be too much for you to shut it this time and keep that opinion to yourself? Is compassion too expensive for you to give?
ReplyDeleteShe's 19, clinically depressed without physical immediate family members with her in US. Make that make sense.
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